Catalan President Carlos Puigdemont ARRESTED in Germany

Of course Germany arrested him. He is not Muslim and has two children. Intolerable in Germany. One child is somewhat tolerated, though none if policy.

 

We have. This guy is wanted by the spanish government. We are allied with spain.

If we dont arrest him and send him there, we risk our alliance with spain.

Spain will be thankful for our support

 

Btw those idiots are crazy. They make mass demonstrations in Barcelona and attack our consulate. That shows they are terrorists

 

I have to remind myself that you are you and try not to take you as an example of a German.

I am pleased to say that I heard on the BBC the German Lawyer who will be representing Puigdemont. He sounded really good and put things more bluntly than Carla's lawyer here
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsTom/status/977962296243867648

 

Well that is clearly not the case as you yourself have already pointed out that Denmark, Belgium and Finland refused to arrest him as they knew it was for political reasons - you did not say that but that is the reason. What is more two of these states have issues re Independence so they clearly are not doing what you say.

Spain made a deal with Catalan which Catalan accepted in 2006. After a change of Government to a more Franco orientated one, Spain reneged on it's deal in 2010 and that is when Catalan moved towards Independence. Clearly Spain has been moving away from democracy for some time and it is getting pretty difficult to hide now.

Massive protests are going on in Barcelona about the arrest of Puigdemont.

 

That stupid to say. There was a arrest warrant, so we had to arrest him. And we are Allied with spain.

 

What is stupid to say? That Finland Denmark and Belgium are not doing as you say after you have declared the EU will all follow you and do as you say.

cute changing your mind a bit from the person who was going to tell everyone what to do making excuses for why you have to arrest him. You don't need to do it quick though. Carla Ponsati has agreed she will check into the police sometime in the next few days and then it will be weeks or months till she comes to trial. I thought I heard about Puigdemont going into court tomorrow. Anyway good to see you changing your mind. If Germany gives up its democracy as you seemed to be suggesting earlier then you may well find Spain is all the EU you have to be allied with.

 

Belgium, Denmark and Finland do no support any seperatist movement. They were also not contacted from spanish secret service. The spanish secret service did contact us so we had to act.

Tomorrow court will decide and he will be send spain within 60 days

 

Spanish and German governments hearkening back to their fascist past.

Disgusting.

 

I already pointed out that two of them have themselves issues over this. As you boasted they would not arrest them.

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You actually see using the European Arrest Warrant for political reasons as something which you hope your country can gain from. Absolutely nothing about justice in your thinking.

Hmmm a return in Germany to acting on fascist secret services according to you. Spain is asking all countries to misuse the European Arrest Warrant. You are the only person who has been boasting that his country will do so.

Now you are telling me that Germany operates Kangaroo courts, that is courts where the result is known before the case has been heard. I will be watching.

 

Appeals to legality are probably the emptiest argument one can make in defense of an action.

 

Nationalist Turks love to label anyone who opposes them as a terrorist. They cannot make intellectual or moral arguments, so they must resort to brainless labels instead.

 

I'm not entirely onboard with Germany getting involved in this dispute there are literally thousands of people who support the independence of Catalonia, handing him over to Spain will only turn him into a martyr and his place will be taken by a new leader.

 

That's because we the US get involved...lol.

 

They do....the ones Hitler helped install back in 36....)

 

yeah sobo...the last one really mattered though!!!).

 

Im a german. And i can tell you that If spain labels.him terrorist, then he is one. This is a spanish conflict. They wanted us to arrest him. We did so. Thats the only Argument necessary

 

Yes it's partly true.

 

Seems like they forget easily.

 

I am certainly in agreement that the European Arrest Warrant must be ended now Spain is reverting to Francoism

cont'd http://www.thenational.scot/news/16..._a_coup_____and_it_directly_affects_Scotland/


and of course Sobo saying Germany will support an undemocratic Spain calling political opponents 'terrorists' just lets us know the position of people of your political view in Germany.

It does seem that that is what this issue is about. The agreement Spain made with Catalonia in 2006 reneged on in 2010 was made when Spain for a moment made a move away from support from Franco - support in Catalonia of course for such politics is extremely low whereas in Spain in general about one third and Sobo would be a good idea if you paid attention to that as well in your broad stroke support of any country resembling fascism. A Democratic Spain if it re-emerges will not thank a Germany which supported that Francoisms re-emergence in Spain.

Time for Europe to draw the lines....and Sobo as for your belief that Germany has won WW2 and got the control of Europe it always wanted ...well looks like people who were voting remain...almost all of them with the knowledge that the EU had to change to make it workable are moving further away. When you put it as belonging to an EU based on the arrest and imprisonment of political opposition for basically life , supported by Germany, such an attitude if coming from Germany as a whole would be the thing that destroys the EU and loses Germany any voice in Europe.

From what I heard last night Puigdemont's lawyer will be arguing against his extradition to Spain due to this being a political arrest, the demise of democracy in Spain, and the return of Spain to Francoism and hence no prospect of a fair trial.

Spain has let Catalonia down, now it must let it go.

 

and I can see here Sobo that you trying to present the image that Germany as a whole is desperate to side with Spain's arrest of political opponents is not a view shared generally with Politicians in Germany. It may even be that this was a deliberate move by him to obtain Asylum

https://www.politico.eu/article/carles-puigdemont-catalonia-arrested-germany/

 

You don't have to post anything here.

 

Slightly off topic. I've got to give it to the Germans. Their army in WWII was the best military machine ever. No army occupied the whole of Europe with such ease. Their problem was they were too greedy. You can't fight the Western and the Eastern front at the same time. As for Yanks. As always, they join the party when the party is almost over and then claim to be the winners. It doesn't count.

 

. . . and usually the wrong party!

 

It doesn't look as if Germany can by its own law extradite Puigdemont

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ppear-in-court-in-germany-as-catalans-protest