Catalan President Carlos Puigdemont ARRESTED in Germany

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You have o clue what diplomacy is, right?

Spain wants him. We are allied with Spain.

If it shows that teh court finds it not working, our diplomats will persuade Spain to pull the warrant back. What you will not see is a German decline.

On a sidenote, i want an aswer from you. That the majority of people in that region want stay spainish, doesnt bother you? Will you kick them out? They will fight violently to stay spanish.

And this counts also for some regions inside Cataluniya who dont associate with it. The Baleares islands for example even boycott catalunian products now. They are part of Catalunyia but see thesmelf as spanish.

What will you do with those regions?

Also its already clear what EU thinks about this. EU made clear Catalunia will never be part of EU as independend country. Several hundred companies already left catalunia. The damage done there is enormous.

 

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Bad news for you alexa

German government announced that it will not veto the deportation to spain

https://www.focus.de/politik/deutsc...ieferung-puigdemonts-einlegen_id_8695024.html

 

Interesting that to you it is about power. You wrongly reported to me that the only people who cared about this were, using power again, the equivalent to rabbits and that what would happen would be that whatever Merkel wanted would happen. The courts would follow what she wanted. You further said no one gave a damn in Germany. All these things are not true. You are hence presenting false information.

While it is not impossible that the German courts may find they can extradite him it is by no means the certainty which you proclaimed and that contrary to what you said about Germany's judiciary acting according to what Merkel said, it is the strength and Independence of your Judiciary which is going to make this very difficult.

https://global.handelsblatt.com/politics/germany-save-carles-puigdemont-905048

That paper also points out that the EAW rules stipulates

People had not been making clear when they were complaining about the EAW being used that it being used for this particular purpose is itself against its rules.

You make out that your view speaks for all of Germany. Thankfully that is certainly disputed

https://global.handelsblatt.com/politics/germany-puigdemont-former-catalan-leader-judges-903673

I won't kick anyone out. Last week I was a middle east Muslim now I seem to be a Catalonian. You don't know what the majority want. That was what the people wanted a vote on and the people did vote into their parliament a majority of those who promised a vote. Puigdemont asked several times for Spain to put in motion the ability for the people of Catalonia to have a referendum and promised this would be for a generation - that is if the people voted no, no further referendum would be asked for for a generation. That is what he refused to do and which after the PP removed laws which had been put in place by the previous Spainish Government following a Referendum in Catalonia had given rise to the people thinking the only answer is Independence.

The issue is not pro or against Catalonia Independence. What this is about is arresting people for their political convictions and acting according to their electoral promises.

However as you ask it, as I understand 40% of the population of Catalonia comes from other areas of Spain and 10% from other parts of the EU. I have never once heard anyone suggesting that anywhere was their any desire to expel those who were not ethnic Catalonians. I know that that was also what 'better together' was saying about Scotland during our Referendum. Loads of lies. We are a very inclusive society. Hence in Scotland 66% of our Minorities voted for Independence believing they would do better with an Independent Scotland than as being part of the UK. I have no reason to believe the situation in Catalonia is any different. Unlike Germany there is no party working to get rid of immigrants. Any further issues would be dealt with when they came to their negotiations on leaving.

However as I said this is not about whether you support or do not support Catalonian Independence. It is about arresting people for their political views. It is about political persecution.

 

Edited after translating article. Sobo you are supposed to put English translations in though I can see putting them in German makes it easier to sneak in somewhat untrue interpretations.

Here is what you article says

google translated.

If anything it expresses that Germany is moving closer to refusing his extradition.

 

ha ha because his lawyer says its no political ofense in Germany? You are so funny.

I have news for you, the states in germany are responsible for his deportation. Thats why Berlin doesnt interfere. But Berlin is responsible for the decission.

He will be deported. And he will be propably next week.

You live in a faity tale world. Like your idea that "nobody will be kicked out. No girl, those regions like Baleares would leave Catalunyia as political state and join spain. Other regions would follow.

If my state wanted to leave Germany, i would hunt those who want that.

The problem of Catalunians is, that they had it too good. Only because of that, such gaga discussions could arise. They degenerated. Same counts for the west in general. We need a powerful war to clean ourself from weakness.

 

No, you are just so full of 'gallows laughter'

That particular time it was taken from Spiegal. He has by the way a very good lawyer particularly one conversant with human rights which I suspect is not one of your Interests

What your paper really said was that Piugdemont's lawyers had asked German States to use a part in the EWA rules which allows them to overrule the court and they had decided not to go by this but to stand by what the court said. That is what I said at first but then on getting the article translated I noticed it did not believe he was likely for him to be extradited. Perhaps you were hoping that the German Government would go against the Court and allow Spain to extradite him if they ruled against.

You are the only person who appears to have this belief. Whether that is possible by all the articles I have looked at which is 5 or 6 it is by no means certain and particularly due to the ruling not to use this for political convictions somewhat unlikely. Hence you are only speaking from your fantasy land.

dream on. I love the way you have no respect for your courts but imagine what will happen is what you want.

That is a projection.

If people choose to leave Catalonia that would be quite a different thing to them being kicked out in the way you want Germany to send Syrians back to a situation where they would almost certainly die.

However your spiel is off topic. The issue here is obviously one concerned with people who believe in political persecution such as yourself or whether the people of Catalonia and their elected officials have democratic rights as I spoke of here.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...sted-in-germany.529260/page-6#post-1068875711

Both Puigdemont and Ponsati are being represented by lawyers who are experts in human rights.

You do not surprise me. You however would find yourself in jail. Germany is a democratic nation even if it ought to have spoken up before on what was happening in Spain. It may need to do that now. That would be the nearest it got to what you suggested in the first post I answered today....and Sobo I am not going to listen to you again go on about how you already threw refugees out of your land. What you say is only your desires. What you have said on this thread is not what is reported with a quick search.

You clearly for some reason hate Catalonians. As you have made clear more than once in this thread you would have got on well with Franco. It was noticed by all the world that the people who were doing Nazi Salutes in this were people opposing Catalin Independence. Contrary to what you believe in a democracy it is the people who decide, not you or any dictator.

 

Sobo here is more on what you are arguing about above

That was only written yesterday and what it appears to be suggesting is that far from deporting him next week, the German Government may decide to release him but they won't be able to make this decision before the weekend.

 

I prefer Pinochet over Franco though. And no, i dont hate this spanishr egion. Visited Barcelona. Was nice in this spanish city.

As for the rest of your rubbish. You speak no German so you make **** up. The article says he will most likely be deported. The government prfers this and because of this doesnt interfer. It would be a provocation to do otherwise.

 

I got a proper translation. No where have you provided anything to say he will probably be deported next week. I however have provided something which suggests that Germany may decide to release him over the weekend. I do not know who writes the news you rant but you are clearly unable to provide evidence of what you say which in this forum should be in English. Nothing has been presented to suggest Germany may deport him to Spain next week apart from your rant. Nothing either in English or translated German text. Please provide such in English.

 

here is what I get when I search Germany may deport Puigdemont to spain next week

Nothing.

 

When he gets deported will you give me something?

 

Provide the evidence for what you said or admit you just made it up.

 

I didnt made it up.

http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschl...les-puigdemont-deutschland-keine-auslieferung

It says the german government will not veto a deportation.

You know what this means? If court decides to deport him, the government will allow it.

Our government could simply block his deportation. Puidgemonts lawyers demanded from our government to veto it. Our government decided to let the court decide though.

So what now Alexa? Is thisthe sunny funny bullshit you made out of it?

 

Not when I get to it

https://translate.google.co.uk/tran...schland-keine-auslieferung&edit-text=&act=url

This is saying much the same as the previous one

If you look at the whole rigmaroll for how they do this you will find that there is also a clause which allows the country in which the individual is, who someone wants to extradite, to overrule the court verdict so that the person is not extradited. Germany appears to be saying that they will not use that clause and the reason appears to be something unique to do with your system.

link provided above

So yes someone has said that if your court does find Germany can extradite him, Germany will not oppose this even if the court deems this to be a political issue.

It is a long way from there to the court having found this to be so and Germany deporting him 'maybe by next week'. You need to wait to hear the courts verdict for that and if it is found he can be extradited we also need to wait until that time till we know if Germany having heard the evidence will change its mind. I know Carla's solicitor will be arguing this is political persecution and that she cannot expect a fair and impartial hearing in Spain. He is also concerned about how she will be treated there. But that is for the future I was well aware your first link said that. I was also well aware that it did not say what you said which was that he was going to be deported, maybe as early as next week.

I don't think apart from the bail hearing there has been any time spent in court yet and until then there is no extradition to Spain or deporting him as you like to say. It does though seem unlikely that Germany will find him guilty of most of the things he is accused of. The most I have heard is that they may find the 'misusing' of funds for the election compatible with German law and if they did and that was all they did, that would be all that he could be tried for in Spain giving a far smaller sentence.

Of course as I have already said but there is all the difference in the world between that and having already decided to deport him, possibly as soon as next week, which is what you said before. I think the issue probably is that rather than understanding the Independence of the Judiciary, you believe this is a message that the Judiciary has decided to do what you believe Merkel wants.

Now really you are wasting my time with your false assumptions.

 

The important thing that people really need to understand is that this is not about whether you believe in Independence for Catalonia or anyone else. This is about the denial of the right of free speech and freedom of political thought. This seems to be one of the things which people are finding difficult but that is what this is about. The SNP and Labour Scotland appear to have been able to form a truce on this and give a joint appraisal

the article goes on to discuss how the ones who get their identity out of being unionists are having more difficulty being able to differentiate between the two issues but they too are beginning to be able to see that this really is about the future of democracy and EU values

cont'd http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/..._of_Catalan_leaders_risks_EU_s__core_values_/

I have spoken before about the way in which Spain under the PP has repeatedly stamped on Catalonia's Democratic Rights...and that is what this is about.

If Spain had believed as it keeps saying that the people of Catalonia did not want Independence then it had nothing to worry about. It could have let them have their referendum and kept them to their promise of another 'not for a generation' but they did not. This seems to suggest Spain believed otherwise. While people who believe in democracy will not agree with arresting people for their political aspirations, obviously those who do not will...and that possibly is what these arrests and trials in Europe are going to show. It is important because if Europe does not show itself able to coming on the side of democracy, free speech, free assembly and so on but instead comes out on the side of meeting that with force, then the EU as a Democratic Institution I think will be finished. Some I know want that.

 

You waste my time with breathing. You should stop it.

That said you dont understand German.

This swine will be send there. I promise you.

 

Hey, I saw a muslim on the way in to work today, thought you'd want to know.

 

It is nothing about the German. You tried to wiggle out of it by actually acknowledging what it was really about.

Bring some links on his trail or admit that the only place where you had heard he was going to be deported maybe by next week was in your dreams.

I am though correct that this is about democracy and Europe's future. On that you stand true to form even if there is nothing to back up what you say.

 

As i said you dont understand german. Its a far more complex language than your island monkey slang.

 

I see, so first you thought I was a Muslim, then you thought I was a Catalonian and now you believe I am black - who you call island monkey. I am imagining that is your racism being a bit too obvious there. I suspect you are drunk. Your last two posts could well have been reported.

I will give you that you did try an explanation. The only problem was that while your explanation did have relevance to your two articles, neither of them said that his trial is over and he is going to be deported, that lies in your racist mind.

Now I am going to leave you till you are sober. Someone who wants me dead and who calls black people monkeys defo should be reported but I am not in the mood tonight. If I come back and you are still at it, that might be different.

 

Island Monkey *Inselaffe* is a word we use for british. As i said you dont know German. You are the racist because you obviously see blacks as monkey.

In german Inselaffe is a slang for brits

You should get education

 

I will look that up. Knowing that racists call blacks monkeys and all that goes with that is not being racist. Calling someone a monkey when you have previously called them a Muslim and suggested they were Catalonian and your obvious racism .... so I looked it up

answer

another

https://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/topic/36428-the-term-inselaffe-island-monkey/

so basically it appears to be the a form of insult German's use towards British people - some say it should only be English. Aaah I think I have got it. You were calling me that because you have discovered I am Scottish and this is about Independence so it seemed like a good insult to you...but maybe I am giving you too much credit for thinking because I have not seen that today. Did I tell you I am an Irish citizen as well?

Seems you began it after we, the Brits occupied you. You really should try not to go back that way again.

So back to topic. No you are wrong. The case has not been decided and if it had it would not only be on German papers but in English speaking papers. You clearly are unable to admit when you are wrong and have wasted your own thread because of this.

 

Scot, Brit, same **** different name

 

To people who know nothing about the UK that would be so. whichever it was it was a personal attack which are against forum rules. You are still destroying your own thread.

 

Should i know something about the UK? If so, why?

The UK is a weak country which produces not much and lives from blood sucking banks in London. A fact that is about to change quite soon, as money laundry laws get stricter. It has a german queen, is inhabited by unattractive people and the food wood be considered toxic over here.

That said, you still didnt tell me what you will do when i´m proved right and the catalunian terrorist is deported to spain.