Challenge To Remove Obama From New Hampshire Primary To Be Heard Friday

One at the time Shiva, one at the time... arguably, Obama is not a natural but rather native born American; it's been discussed back and forth many times, and is not proven one way or the other. Obama still being in the White House is not the proof he's eligible to be there.

 

actually, he is a natural born citizen. it has been proven beyond any doubt.

 

No.

Your questions are simply bad.

 

There's no difference between natural born and native born.

And his birth certificate proves that he is a natural born US citizen.

 

Since the only reason you asked the questions was to dance away from the corner you painted yourself into- I will just repeat what Wong says- since he is repeating what I have said to you now half a dozen times and you dance, dance, dance away.

"First Dutch insists that no foreign nation can involuntarily impose their citizenship, which (if true) would mean that the answers to all his questions are, "No."

Then Dutch insists that, never mind, foreign nation can involuntarily impose their citizenship after all, which (if true) would mean that the answers to all his questions are, "Yes."

It's nothing more than an opportunity to expose Dutch's confused and hypocritical thought processes, since it ultimately has nothing to do with Presidential eligibility at all. Dual citizens are fully eligible for the presidency as long as one of their citizenship is natural born US.

So come on Dutch, show some spine and make up your mind. Which is it?

Can foreign nations involuntarily impose their citizenship or not? Don't be afraid. Pick an answer. You will look no worse than you already do."

 

1- There was no Kenya when he was born.
2- Irrelevent to his elligibility.
3- Irrelevent for his elligibility.

 

It has been proven to everyone who actually counts.

It was proven to the majority of voters who voted for him.
It was proven to the Electoral College who elected him.
It was proven to Congress, who confirmed him.
It was proven to Chief Justice Roberts who swore him in.

According to the Constitution, he has provided all the evidence he is required to produce and is President.

It has been proven to everyone who actually matters.

 

So, what you're saying is that Fight teh smears got that one wrong... hm... that means, they're not trustworthy... I wonder, what else they got wrong, intentionally or accidentally?

 

Nope. It's pretty clear he never said that.

Once again Dutch starts making up stuff and attributing it to his opponents. Soon he'll start making up fake quotations again.

Watch.

 

Based upon the 14th Amendment Barack Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States. He was born in Honolulu Hawaii and was subject to the laws (jurisidiction) of the United States at the moment of birth. That is a natural born citizen.

A native born citizen is someone that obtains citizenship "at birth" but not necessarily "by birth" which would be someone like John McCain who was granted US citizenship under the statutory naturalization laws of Congress. Barak Obama established the natural right of citizenship by being born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction of the laws of the United States at birth.

Congress has no authority related to natural born citizenship but does have the authority to naturalize a person "at birth" which would make them a native born but not natural born citizen.

It is true that simply being the president does not establish eligibility. For that we needed to go to the State of Hawaii Dept of Health which maintains the birth records for citizens born in Hawaii. The Hawaii Dept of Health established that Obama was born in Honolulu and was a natural born citizen of Hawaii which, in turn, makes Obama a natural born citizen of the United States. That matter was settled back in 2008 before Obama became the president.

 

Absolutely correct. The original COLB issued to Obama from the Hawaii Dept of Health is the only document required to establish natural born citizenship.

 

For English language challenged and Wong, I quote again, from the site of Fight the smears:

"Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”


I'll further explain that in order to lose something, you must first acquire something... for Obama's Kenyan citizenship to expire,he had to become Kenyan citizen first... comprende?

 

What the hell are you babbling about? What does that have to do with you making up bullsh*t and trying to put it in your opponent's mouth?

 

Did not you said Obama was not born kenyan citizen? If you did not, I apologize. In that case, I direct your attention to the fight the smears site, which says, Obama was Kenyan citizen until he was 21 years of age. take your beef with them

 

this seems kind of mean spirited... to me

 

if i don't agree with you, will you just delete my post ? i guess we'll find out.

 

I agree- I told him to stop calling her that! I knew you it would upset you, what with your Orly love.

 

this one was nice...

 

There was no Kenya in 1961...

 

there was.

Etymology

Further information: Names on Mount Kenya

The word Kenya', /ˈkɛnjə/, originates from the Kikuyu, Embu and Kamba names for Mount Kenya, "Kirinyaga", "Kirinyaa" and "Kiinyaa".[citation needed] Prehistoric volcanic eruptions of Mount Kenya (now extinct) may have resulted in its association with divinity and creation among the indigenous Kikuyu-related ethnic groups who are the native inhabitants of the agricultural land surrounding Mount Kenya.[original research?]

In the 19th century, the German explorer Ludwig Krapf recorded the name as both Kenia and Kegnia believed by some to be a corruption of the Kamba version.[8][9][10] Others say that this was—on the contrary—a very precise notation of a correct African pronunciation /ˈkɛnjə/.[11]

 

So, what does it means... Obama's fight teh smears site is wrong? What else are they wrong in then, i wonder?

 

I believe there was a Kenya...

There was just no independent Republic of Kenya...

 

that's correct.

 

Of course I did. And he can't have been born a Kenyan citizen, as there would be no such thing as Kenyan citizenship until he was two years old.

 

i say natural born. sfjeff said he was a kenyan citizen till he was 23.