You people really have no idea the depth of your hypocrisy, because you have little or no self reflexion. I will help you, because I pity you. I desire and demand purity, especially in girls and women. Why is this "wrong"? Why is this evil and bad? And what do YOU demand of other people? NOTHING? Don't lie to me. You can't claim you demand nothing, and expect nothing, from people, when you are so obviously judgmental and hateful toward MY VALUING of other people. Which I do, I VALUE chaste women. So what? You dare attack me, because I VALUE and want to protect this aspect of others? Your hatred toward me demonstrates everything I need to know about you people and atheists. It demonstrates and proves to me immediately what you people hate and despise about yourselves. There is a loss of innocence in these moral lessons. But most of you are too blind to see this.
What is it that you are seeking on this forum? What is your reason for being here? Is it to tell people that they are hypocrites and haters? God is not on this forum. Never will be. People are. I am at a loss as to why you aren't out seeking God instead of being on this God Forsaken forum. There are other forums that would fit your appetite much better than this one. Why are you exposing yourself to all this hypocrisy and hate. Perhaps, it is you who should be looking in that mirror. Maybe, it is a way for you to form a thicker skin so you can feel God's presence better. I don't know. It is just very confusing and strange to me and I am sure many others feel the same. I tried reaching out to you as have others have but you simply will not engage in a judicious dialog. I saw one poster who agreed with you and you slammed that poster as being inauthentic. Maybe he admired you and wanted to learn more about his own self-discipline. You could have been his teacher, instead you chose to mock him. You are doing the very thing that you despise in others. I don't agree at all with your belief systems but I do accept them. They are yours and that should be enough. Mine are mine and that is OK too. I will admit that I was reactive at first because your beliefs are so far from anything that I had ever known, thought or believed but I decided to let it in because I have a stronger value that I hold sacred. I believe that all people have something to offer or teach others about themselves (even your greatest enemy). It is how we (people) begin to understand one another. Understanding leads to acceptance of others beliefs. When all folks can do is spew irrational hatred, they cannot and will not compromise and come to an understanding.
Must you ALWAYS insult everyone here? Is it beyond you to treat others with respect even when you disagree? Post after post is the same and you make absolutely no attempt to answer the questions asked of you in the discussion you started. You side step real questions and preach Christianity as if you live by it, which it is clear by your actions couldn't possibly be true. And you're no more Christian than anyone else here who also believes, much as that may disappoint you. Others just try to live as if they are, not just say it.
I want to understand and spread the Word. And I know something about the Word. I can see the difference between chastity and unchaste, guilt and innocence. Why does America have a slut and prostitute culture? Why is my value of innocence, youth, beauty, and chastity, so attacked, demonized, and hated? AND BY WHOM?!?! It's the atheists here. We keep having the same arguments. So it's time to advance my position. Why is it "wrong" and "hateful" to value chastity???????????????????????????? You people do attack me about it. You're not with me. You're not part of my "team". Because you see something evil in this. And I AGREE!!! But you people don't realize what and who is evil. How can you attack people who value chastity so highly? How can you judge somebody who respects innocence? You can't, without demonstrating the flaw in yourself. WAIT....................................... Aren't you another atheist who is now declaring where God is, and is not??? How do YOU KNOW??????????? Wow!!! I'm tired of the arguments. NO, you're wrong. You are not "listening" to me, when I have to repeat myself over and over. When somebody really does listen, and understands, then how can I mock that??? I can't. Problem is, nobody really is listening to me. And that's fine. I don't expect many to share my values, maybe nobody. I know that Cupid Dave shares some of my same values. He is about it. Margot, Dairy air, Taikoo, these are hypocrites and liars. They casually double talk about chastity. They DEMAND chastity, when it comes to their daughters, but they walk and talk backward, when it comes to how daughters are brought into the world. So I see right through these HYPOCRITES AND LIARS. I hate the lies. And I do not have the power, the integrity, the spiritual strength, to forgive the LIARS. That is why I value Christ. Because He has that strength, and it is a strength I want and desire. How many other "christians in name only", can claim the same as me? What we have are too many FALSE christians, who also double talk. You have the strength to withhold judgment, on many of these liars???? I'm the honest one. What about hatred? Do I hate chastity and chaste women??? No, so, what's your point?
lots of misogyny in this thread. which is no surprise, as the New Testament sees women as second-class.
That's not true at all. I admit many times that I don't have the spiritual strength as Christ did. I DO pass judgment against other people, like margot, dairy air, taikoo. YES, I do JUDGE them. But I do it fairly, as fairly as I can. And I think this is a vast distance BETTER than your judgment, or many other false Christians. Because I begin with the weakness of Sin. And I understand and accept hatred. I accept that people need to blame somebody, for all their problems in life. This is why Christ was crucified. The weak souls want to blame somebody, not themselves. I do blame myself for MY Sins. But this topic isn't about me. It's about chastity and chaste women. It's about valuing these women. This thread isn't about me. Now taikoo mentioned rape, and how a young girl and woman can lose her virginity, by force. And we can agree that this is "evil". But like I said, IS IT TRUE???? You have to listen to both sides of the story. Many young girls, who value chastity, and have TRULY CHRISTIAN values, do want to have sex. And they want to abandon their faith and culture. So let's say a young girl has sex before getting married. And she has sex and loses her virginity. But then the LIBERAL male, who obviously lied to get into her panties, ditches her. He dumps her. What does the girl do, out of shame and guilt? NO, it wasn't her "choice" to have sex. She claims that she was raped. This is done to save face. This is done to blame the man, and claim that it was HIS FAULT, not hers. And women have this power, and they use it freely, if you let them. There is a degree to which cultures are willing to go, and give women "unlimited power", to blame men, to revoke ALL PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. And this liberal, degenerate, ZIONIST culture, is approaching its limit. When do we hold WOMEN accountable for themselves??? When do we blame women, for what women do and desire?????? Now many of you will immediately react emotionally, claim I "hate women", and cast stones about "True Christianity". But how dare you??? Do YOU question this power of women??? Do YOU expect "equality", as you tout??? Do YOU expect women to take responsibility for themselves?????? No, you don't. Because we live in a "slut pride" culture, where everybody encourages little girls to give blow jobs and perform anal sex. So yes, I AM RIGHT, and this society is sick to the core, rotten and degenerate, corrupt. At some point, we need to put the responsibility BACK ONTO WOMEN, and say no, if you have sex outside marriage, then it MAYBE YOUR FAULT!!! Maybe you were raped, maybe not, but we need to investigate the claim, because women can lie, and sometimes do lie. Sometimes women are LIARS. And so we need to understand when a woman is truly forced to have sex against her will, and when she LIES, to save face, and to restore her honor. It's too easy for young women. They have sex, seduced by the lies of young men claiming "I LOOOOOOOVE YOOOOU". They lose their virginity, and quickly realize, "oh wait, the guy didn't TRULY love and respect me, he just wanted to use me for sex, as a toy and object". So what do they do, after they have lost worth, grace, dignity, pride, value???? No no, it wasn't the woman who initiated sex. She was "raped". With a simple twist, she washes her hands from her shame. She didn't "lose her virginity", it was taken. All she has to do is SAY IT, and her dignity is restored. Now, you folks want to talk about evil? Let's talk about TRUTH AND LIES.
Are you claiming that men can claim that women raped them????????????? So if I have sex with a woman, claim she raped me, then I can take half her assets, her children, and socially shame and outcast her?????? What's that about "equality"???????????
saying that women should shut up in Church, cannot have any authority over men, and cannot teach men, means that women are worth less than men. this is what the New Testament says.
You are having sex with random women you don't know? Serves you right then. Punishment for an unchaste man. Good chaste men don't have to worry about that.
I love beautiful young women who give ******s and f@ck on the first date. Ideally a date would be coffee at a cafe then back to her place ASAP.
But with all you have said, you miss the very tenent of Christianity. You just said and that's where your mistakes are rooted. Christianity is founded upon the belief that Christ was crucified for our sins. And you have already stated you have asked for, and I assumed you received, forgiveness for the way of life you led. So what I can't get past, and is pertinent to this thread, is how you can receive forgiveness but a woman cannot? If you truly believe what you believe and preach, how can it be? Yes, I do know the answer but when you admit what it is you will have come to the realization that either everyone can be forgiven for their sins or that they cannot.
Actually yes, and men can even claim that a man raped them. Jerry Sandusky is a prime example, but there are many. And yes, a woman can rape a man, and yes you may make the charge and see it through the court system just as a woman can. We're equal like that.
? Chaste...? Immoral, sluts, i.e.; women who are sexually promiscuous is the behavior that results in illegitimate Welfare single mothers, criminal bastards, fatherless children abused because of fatherlessness, etc
You make quite ridiculous claims. What about the thousands of single mothers who became single mothers after a relationship failed? You just lump all single women together into your perception of welfare-dependent illegitimate-baby-having promiscuos sluts and you fail to even recognize that the underlying problem has as much to do with men, that's you AND me, as it does women. And becoming a single parent has nothing to do with economics or morals, especially if one of the spouses dies. Your stereotypes are fogging your ability to see the entire picture and it doesn't all boil down to sex before marriage.
Yes, that is why money or other benefits flow from men to women in order to access those sexual favors men love and women will provide. They are to the drug problem what Pusher represent and men are customers or Demand that fuels that business. The Bible repeatedly refers to this as the Whoredom which reality will soon bring down by economic disaster or foreign invasion or the rise of a dictator:
It is irrelevant WHY we NOW have 50% of the families without fathers, (and many more with step fathers whose record for making things worse compounds the matter.) Divorce in 1950 was almost impossible (as it ought be the case). Family is about raising the children. Women have the opportunity to choose the ate they will marry, and after that, its all about the jids, first, or at leastit once was.
I don't even disagree with you that family is key to raising children. But, reality shows us that mothers (and fathers) live as single parents for far more reasons than just promiscuity. And it DOES matter because your and Heretic's arguments have all pointed toward sluts, welfare, whoredom and whatever other words you used. You never once alluded to widows or widowers, which we know full well can be because of illness, age, accident, murder, war or others. You also never alluded to women who left a relationship that was filled with abuse, cheating, control, etc. It's not an all-or-nothing situation out there and it can't be treated as such. That has been my stance all along. My second issue is forgiveness. It's been mentioned that women either are or are not worthy based on being chaste or not chaste. Yet the same people who talk about it have mentioned forgiveness for themselves without any mention of it being possible for the very women you degrade with accusations. Either we can all receive forgiveness equally, or we cannot. And that point IS an all or nothing proposition.
yeah,... That is the thrust of all I have been saying here, Innocent children being sexualized on purpose by adults who talk and behave in front of them so just that happens. All the major social problems in America can be traced right back to this unnecessary and stupid direct removal of childhood innocence. VILENT CRIME:
Uh, it is actually incredibly relevant since it's the damn topic of the conversation. So, death penalty? So, you think that women should have the opportunity to basically choose who will be their bread-winner before they come baby-making machines? How sweet of you. I'm curious why you've progressed to this point when the Bible never talks about women having the choice to choose their mate.
Bible? I was referring to the ancient custom in Western Culture where a man offers a ring and inquires whether the damsel will spend the rest of her life with him. She can chose among suitors or stay unmarried, while the male must ask for the hand of another woman from the other woman. The woman was expected to be chaste until married, that is the topic of this thread. The reasoning behind this is that once she made her own bed, both f them were thereafter to sleep on it together.
Many women were trapped before divorce was easily procured. Women should not be held hostage by a$$holes.
