Chilean presidential candidate calls Israel ‘a threat to world peace’

Got any rebuttal to the suggestion that Hamas terror tunnels are really terror tunnels and not a tunnels for visiting Palestinian relatives living in Israel?

To say Israel is a threat to world peace is akin to saying Palestinians are peace loving people.

 

https://972mag.com/were-gaza-tunnels-built-to-harm-israeli-civilians/95279/

They are incredibly so given the oppression and violence they have been living under for 50 years.

 

What hypocrisy?

Who was there first:
1. The Zionist Colonists whose selfish expansionism has caused them to be hated

OR:

2. The native residents of Palestine



“Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict”

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/

Myth #1 – Jews and Arabs have always been in conflict in the region.

Although Arabs were a majority in Palestine prior to the creation of the state of Israel, there had always been a Jewish population, as well. For the most part, Jewish Palestinians got along with their Arab neighbors. This began to change with the onset of the Zionist movement, because the Zionists rejected the right of the Palestinians to self-determination and wanted Palestine for their own, to create a “Jewish State” in a region where Arabs were the majority and owned most of the land."CONTINUED

The British Hope-Simpson report of 1930 similarly noted that Jewish residents of non-Zionist communities in Palestine enjoyed friendship with their Arab neighbors. “It is quite a common sight to see an Arab sitting in the verandah of a Jewish house”, the report noted. “The position is entirely different in the Zionist colonies.

 

My friend,

At the cost of $3mln per tunnel, Hamas has no reason to build them other than attack Israel and kill Israelis. Simple as that, and no article written by the "Friends of Israel" will rebut that.

 

The hypocrisy is in here:

"Israel has enough conventional weaponry to deter an attack from its neighbors"

Israel is not able to defend itself with conventional weapons along, without doomsday weapons stashed away.

 

I see first you ask for information against what you said, then you pretend it has not been presented. You can take a horse to water and all that...

"Friends of Israel" You do realise that someone from out of the Israeli Embassy in London was found to be creating groups of this nature in the UK encouraging our Politicians to join and working to 'out' any who had concern about the Palestinians living without rights. When this was followed in the same year as a politician's stealthy attempt to get the UK to gift aid the IDF in the toe of the Conservative Friends of Israel rep, British Israeli supporters were feeling a need to keep quiet for a while

https://www.thejc.com/comment/analy...re-for-israel-s-supporters-in-the-uk-1.447729

 

It has in the past especially with guaranteed US military aid. Israel's hostile neighbors are well aware that the US will come to Israel's aid when the chips are down.

On the other hand, if I were an Israeli, I wouldn't want to have to depend on another country whose political climate could change in a generation or two.

I view hypocrisy as supporting Israel's right to a nuclear arsenal while denying the same right to the Iranians whose people are just as deserving of security.

At any rate, Happy Thanksgiving.....don't eat too many of those "Colorado Brownies"

 

Again, how do you defend a country 9 miles wide with conventional weapons? By the time US military deploys, will there be anything left to defend?

Perhaps, perhaps not. No smart country leader will gamble with his country which is geographically impossible to defend.

Happy thanksgiving to you too. Brownies? Nah... turkey dinner with full trimming, plus I have a date with a bottle of Johnnie Walked Blue Label Ghost and Rare Special Blend... looking forward to it.

 

So no rebuttal just a wish list of imaginary attributes to Israel.

So no rebuttal, it is all about poor Israelis being hated.

So no rebuttal, just how unfair it is that people from an occupied territory are called freedom fighters, remember Israel was created partly by terrorism.

So no rebuttal, just we are Israel, we do what we want.

Jaffa once had a Arab majority, it was to be part of the Palestinian state, but Zionists liked the fish, they started with a terrorist bombing, then attacked, all this before independence. They wanted, they took they drove out. No rebuttal here then.

No rebuttal here, just a strawman argument about what others do, Palestinians were a very peaceful people, it is historical fact, then they were colonised by Zionists.

Again and again on this forum we can see how any act Israel makes is explained by the threat, the sense of entitlement shown by Zionists is incredible. Our security, our rights to a nation, our wants, what about the people who lived in your homes, villages, towns and cities Israel drove out.

 

You said "Israelis also recognize them as a nation"... and I doubt that. It is a fair enough opinion to have, considering their government. How about you convince me instead of trolling.

 

The corporate state will never entertain that notion.

 

Furthermore:

• Israeli arms sales to Europe grew from $724M in 2014 to $1.63B in 2015
• Although the size of New Jersey Israel is one of the top 10 arms dealing nations in the world
• Israel produces 60% of all drones worldwide and sells to over 50 countries, at times selling to both sides of a given conflict, and Israel fueled the drones arms race between India and Pakistan

Palestine is an open air weapons testing and crowd control laboratory with Palestinians being used in the development phase; Gaza is a lab of mass destruction. US super bunker busters were supplied to the Israelis in 2014 and investors stock shot up; war is just business after all.

The “War in Terror” has been a boon to the industry, you’ve seen what amounts to advertisement in every “news” outlet, we are being whipped up into a frenzy once again. The industry also pioneers crowd control research on the Palestinians, and Israel is involved in the training of American forces and law enforcement. We see this in the militarization of our own police departments, Ferguson was but one example of how our system is prepping to Palestinianize our own population, and in fact Ferguson now has Israeli developed/sold skunk spray post the Ferguson events, although no incidents have yet been reported of use on American streets. It’s pretty clear that the Israeli occupation style power structure is moving toward the same in America; a warehousing of the poor in a post industrial age with diminishing living wage jobs and privatized for profit prisons complete with a return to convict leasing.

Much of the security monitoring and mass surveillance technologies are also produced in Israel and sold across the globe. “Targeted assassination” was invented in Israel, which Obama was quite fond of. Abu Ghraib torture methods? Israel.

The US and Israel are not allies. The US and Israeli arms dealers are allies, and war is the business they are both in. We are all collateral damage.

 

This says a lot for the intelligence, hard work and ingenuity of the Israeli people. If their neighbors had even a small percentage of their education and ambition perhaps they'd be able to make something of their lives, rather than living in hate and bitterness.

 

May I kindly remind you that the burden of proof rests on the party making the claim? I believe you defended this position yourself in another section of this forum.

Well...meanwhile the "threat to peace" claim is just a wish list of imaginary attributes to Israel.

You should sue your history teacher.

Arab majority:
In April 1917, on the eve of Passover, the Turks ordered the expulsion of approximately 8,000 Jews from Jaffa. An unknown number died. The expulsion of all Jews from Palestine was halted by the German commander in Palestine.
http://jcpa.org/u-s-navy-saved-jews/

May 1, 1921, Jaffa:
On the day Lederberg describes in his letter, he'd left home early in the morning to go to his shop, where he sold glass items. A great deal of merchandise had arrived and Lederberg hired two porters to unload it, while he and another man by the name of Yitzhak arranged it on the shelves. At midday, he writes, "We heard a lot of turmoil in the market and Yitzhak ran to see what was going on. He didn't return and when I heard the noise [coming from there], I decided to close myself in the shop until things quieted down ... But unfortunately my hopes were dashed because for more than two hours, I was shut in the shop and no one came to my aid. All I heard was the shouting ... and the groans of the wounded and dying coming from every direction.
"You can imagine what a state I was in. I tried to think what to do because I could hear them breaking down the doors of the shops. I decided to go up to the storage loft, and to take the ladder up with me. And I did so right away. And I also took off my vest and coat, and covered my head and back with them as well as I could. And I lay down on the floor of the loft with my arms and legs flat, and my face down. But just 10 minutes later I suddenly heard them breaking down the doors of my shop ... They broke down the doors and about 200 murderous robbers broke into the shop and started grabbing whatever they could, and the rest they wrecked and broke and trampled.

"And suddenly one man said there was a lot more stuff up in the loft. And right away they climbed up and saw me lying on the ground. They all shouted: Here is a Jew! Kill him! Slaughter him! And about 10 robbers started beating me with the long rods they carried, on my head and back. And I screamed from the pain but after a minute or so I was stunned and a great weakness came over me and I heard one Arab say to another, 'Give me your knife so I can stab him because it looks like he's still alive.' When I heard this I shuddered and with all my strength I cried out 'Shema Yisrael,' but before I could finish I heard rifle fire and the robbers were shouting, 'Here come the English!' and fleeing for their lives.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/your-wounded-brother-yaakov-1.314320

April 1936:
On April 15th, 1936, two Jews were murdered by Arab 'bandits' (the official term) on the road between Tulkarm and Nablus. Next day two Arabs were killed near the Jewish town of Petah Tikvah. The funeral of the Jews in Tel Aviv on April 17th produced, as such events often did, serious violence, and in neighbouring Jaffa two days later dozens of Jews were attacked in the streets. Nine were beaten, stoned or stabbed to death, and killings continued over the following days. Police had to open fire to keep an Arab crowd out of Tel Aviv, and armoured cars were brought in.
http://www.historytoday.com/charles-townshed/first-intifada-rebellion-palestine-1936-39

But but but the Zionists...

Sorry for the lack of quotes that makes the post a bit messy, but Insert function not working on Chrome, and Firefox not working after update

 

Well forgetting for the moment that neo liberalism seems to make most of its money from creating wars and that Israel provides weapons to both Burma and Darfur you are also forgetting that they are part of Western Colonialism in the Mid East the destructiveness and oppression of which the people of the region are still struggling to overcome.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...different-ideologies-different-methodologies/

 

Certainly which is why I listed exactly what I thought made Israel a threat to world peace in my first post.

Any lack of knowledge is my error.

Yes the Zionists! Sorry I am having trouble with the insert function as well, at least we cannot blame it on political bias!

 

I usually find the quote function gets upset if one of the quote marks has gone bold. Debold it. Might work. Another thing I have problems with is sometimes it gets into leaving big spaces between paragraphs and I can't change it.

 

If they did, you all would howl to high heaven. They are to be kept in bondage.

 

RE:

To support your contention that Gaza is, literally a "Lab" and Palestinians are used as Lab rats for Israel's arms' industry, I found the following:



“The Lab”: Israel Tests Weapons, Tactics On Captive Palestinian Population

https://www.wrmea.org/2013-septembe...actics-on-captive-palestinian-population.html

EXCERPT "“The Lab,” which won a recent award at DocAviv, Israel’s documentary Oscars, is due to premiere in the U.S. in August. Directed by Yotam Feldman, the film presents the first close-up view of Israel’s arms industry and the dealers who have enriched themselves.

The title relates to the film’s central argument: that Israel has rapidly come to rely on the continuing captivity of Palestinians in what are effectively the world’s largest open-air prisons.

The reason is that there are massive profits to be made from testing Israeli military innovations on the more than four million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank."CONTINUED

 

And we now have them training american police departments/military and mercenary private security firms on how to do the same here, to us. The corporate state knows full well it has lost all semblance of legitimacy and that the jobs are not coming back.

Private corporate prisons with stocks traded on Wall Street and convict labor leasing; we have returned to profiteering from bondage. Private Citizens are now able to be gunned down in the streets with impunity, even when unarmed, and the public for the most part sits idly by. We are a population under constant surveillance; the most state watched population the world has ever known. Guarantee of Habeas corpus? Gone, we have in essence repealed the fuggin’ Magna Charta, welcome back to the 1100’s. The power structure knows full well that at some point this society will require a lockdown and they are preparing.

 

Any suggestions as to what the average loyal American can do to alter the gloomy trend you describe other than sharing the information & writing ones bought-and-paid-for politician?

I neither doubt nor am trying to minimize the dire conditions that exist and seem to be trends of the future but other than informing others am not sure what I can do to change things.

 

I see no political solution via working within the system, this will require a massing of non-cooperative, non-participatory bodies in the streets at this juncture, and the american public still cannot seem to locate the stomach to be a truly free people.

 

How did you ever arrive at that conclusion?

It's obviously the dictatorial political leaders, in conjunction with their religious cohorts, who are keeping the people 'in bondage'.

 

I'm guessing you have a remedy to allow Americans to become a "truly free people". Can you share it?

 

You have a point there. What you fail to see is how the West's actions in the ME brought both of these into being and keeps them there.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...different-ideologies-different-methodologies/