China's economy grows 6.5% in Q4 as country rebounds from coronavirus

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  1. RickJay

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    OK, blame China, now what?
    What good will blaming China do? Make it all go away? make everything the idiot trump did 'better'? Bring 400K people back from the dead?
    Blame China all you want but you have to actually DO something after that.
     
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    Your reply is typical of the Republican attitude

    In World Wars Americans have pulled together and fought and won

    America is the worst devastated Country fighting the Virus

    Republicans just shrug their shoulders with Lame excuses
     
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    Sanctions, inquiries, investigations.

    Say China Flu 2.0 pops up, do you think they'd alert the WHO immediately?

    Of course not, why would they? They kept the last virus a secret for a month while it spread out of control, destroyed the global economy, and nobody but them prospered.

    Hell, at this rate, if I were them, I'd be encouraged to create another given the response to the last cover up... because why not? Two or three more like this and they'll be the only economy left on the planet, which is ultimately their goal.
     
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    And how exactly does any of that help? Sanctions? On what?
    I get it you need someone or something to 'blame' the disaster that trump help create, any thing to deflect from the rights abject failures is good in your play book. OK, got it.
    But how sanctions and investigations that the right won't agree with unless they come to the 'right' conclusion going to help? what does that do to keep sick people alive? Help keep businesses open, which seems to be the only thing the right cares about, money?
    How does it help with anything other than giving some people something else to hate and bitch about? (which they are going to do anyway)
     
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    Like Sweden di....

    Wait.

    Follow the science that says lockdowns don't do ****, or nah?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ai...not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/amp/
     
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    No, you don't get it.

    Why do you charge people with DUIs? I mean, they're already drunk driving, just help them home and call it a night. No need to blame them for endangering the public, right?

    Why punish people for anything?

    Your obsession with the right is unsettling.
     
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    So you actually think you can 'punish' China and that will 'fix' the pandemic?
    ok man.....whatever.
     
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    From you're link:

    and on April 7 Prestige won a $9.5 million FEMA contract to produce a million N95 masks per month over a period of one year at 79 cents apiece, a pace that did not require the company to restart its idle manufacturing lines

    A million a day, a million a year...... No biggie.
     
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    If you check you will find New York's shut down kept them from running out of ventilators.
    If you look at the deaths in New York you will find they actually led cases for a while. So no, more testing was not the issue. No testing was the issue, because Trump's tests didn't work for a month.
    If you check you will find that Cuomo followed Trump's CDC directives on nursing homes.
    Let me know if you can't find it & I'll give you a link.
    If Trump had listened in school he would have known the world was round and the virus would make it's way around it to New York.
     
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    What are you talking about?
    Trump covered up the severity of it for months, when he knew better.
     
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    Unfortunately there are Trump supporters in every state.

    Death rate in Florida - 1173 per million
    Death rate in California - 932 per million

    Last, but not least.
     
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    The whistle blower claimed the request was for government funding of 1.7 million a week involving a refurb of 4 shutdown production lines. The contract they won was for a million a month which required no increased capacity. What's the total capacity of Prestige Ameritech without the 4 lines? They obviously believed they could absorb an increase in production by a million a month. If demand was high, why did they need government funding to increase their production using their active production line? Or do you have some evidence that they stopped fulfilling their private contracts?

    I mean...is the claim really that the Government caused Prestige to produce slower than if government had never been involved?
     
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    Which incidentally were killing people...

    Yes, Trump the biochemist produced a test. Do you understand the statistical benefit of a low accuracy test that can be administered rapidly to a large percentage of the public?

    The CDC directed covid positive elderly to be moved out of hospital beds and INTO nursing homes? I'd like to see that directive please.
     
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    So fairly close, but without the economic devastation, riots, crime and taxes. So FL still comes out ahead.

    And speaking of deaths/million, the Top 4 and most of the top 10 are all Dem controlled states.

    But yeah, it’s all those evil Trump supporters spreading it all. Yeah yeah. Yum. Coolaid. /derp
     
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    The company could increase production by 1.7 million N95 masks per week by reactivating four N95 manufacturing lines in "like-new" condition at significant cost, but would require a major financial commitment from the government.
     
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    You must have missed my questions. I'll ask them again. What is Prestige Ameritech's total production capacity without the activation of the 4 decommissioned production lines? Did they increase production to produce 1 million per month for the government contract, did production remain the same, or did it slow? Why did the activation of the decommissioned lines require a major government commitment?
     
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    They weren't killing people, but there were better treatments.
    That's probably why Trump spent 2.9 billion building the ones we don't need.



    I do understand the need for a rapid test.
    I have often wondered why Trump hasn't expedited one.

    Your welcome.

    Considerations for new admissions or readmissions to the facility
    • Newly admitted and readmitted residents with confirmed COVID-19 who have not met criteria for discontinuation of Transmission-Based Precautions should go to the designated COVID-19 care unit.
    • Newly admitted and readmitted residents with COVID-19 who have met criteria for discontinuation of Transmission-Based Precautions can go to a regular unit.
      • If Transmission-Based Precautions have been discontinued, but the resident with COVID-19 remains symptomatic (i.e., persistent symptoms or chronic symptoms above baseline), they can be housed on a regular unit but should remain in a private room until symptoms resolve or return to baseline. These individuals should remain in their rooms to the extent possible during this time period. If they must leave their rooms, facilities should reinforce adherence to universal source control policies and social distancing [e.g., perform frequent hand hygiene, have the resident wear a cloth face covering or facemask (if tolerated) and remain at least 6 feet away from others when outside of their room].
    • Create a plan for managing new admissions and readmissions whose COVID-19 status is unknown. Options include placement in a single room or in a separate observation area so the resident can be monitored for evidence of COVID-19.
    Responding to Coronavirus (COVID-19) in Nursing Homes | CDC
     
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    I have no idea. Do you?
    But I could guess that they couldn't borrow the money to start the lines without a contract.
     
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    But they had a contract and didn't feel the need to activate the lines to meet any other demand. If you're arguing that they still didn't produce enough after they were awarded that contract then you're also arguing that the demand exists, right?

    Sounds like crony capitalism to me. Is that something you would approve of? Why should the government expand Prestige's capital if they can meet the government's demand without that expansion?
     
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    That guidance covers admittance to nursing homes, not release from hospital beds.
     
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    Are you suggesting his leadership as governor was effective in Republican districts, but not in Democratic ones?
     
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    Note the word readmittance?
     

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