Choice

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by revol, Jan 12, 2012.

  1. prospect

    prospect New Member

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    When I refer to my "ability" to make a choice, I am taking into account these items in bold that take part in making up my 'ability'.. (and more)

    E.G. When I am hungry and it is time for me to eat dinner, there are many options to choose from. Going out to eat, staying home, what kind of food do I have the craving for, money,calories, etc.... All things considered, I will ultimately make only one choice.

    My point is that it is all these things (and more) that drive me to my decision. Not all things are a moral dilemma but even in cases where they are, there are always underlying factors that make up our ultimate choice.

    This is hard to accept by most, IMO, because people take it to mean that we are not responsible for our actions.

    But we are responsible indeed because we are always aware of choice,whether freewill is an illusion or not, we are still aware and we react accordingly to our ability.

    A positive side of believing the way I do is that I am free from being angry from the everyday selfish actions of others, why ? Because I don't expect people to do anything different than what they do. I don't expect people to believe any different than they believe..

    When someone offends me, or hurts me,etc.. I react in the manner that I see fit, I rebuke them and fill their head with what they need to know.
     
  2. Incorporeal

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    No need to go any further. Your comment emphasized above, tells the whole story. If you have received any type of education from an external source, your ability to choose or make a choice has been influenced by those external sources.
     
  3. revol

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    Again you fail to read with a capacity to understand what is being said.... Weird, this entire capacity thing again!

    I'm not saying that we CAN'T be influenced for good or bad, the interesting thing about the positive aspect is that it becomes an understanding of the individual and evolves beyond an influence to a truth within the individual.... Hence, it becomes their very nature; just the reason I discussed murder being an impossibility to the psyche.
    We don't own common sense, logic and reason..... It exists all on it's own, we don't require any influence beyond the discovery of the mind itself.
    Of course if the mind was not nurtured, it would never have such a capacity..... Love is quite a brilliant aspect in the development of the mind!
     
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    I wonder if love involves making every ridiculous attempt to twist and contort another's words?
     
  5. Incorporeal

    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    Can I go to the mall and purchase a hunk of logic? Can I go into the mountains and mine for 'logic'? No? Then "logic and reason" do not "exist all on it's own". They are learned, and therefore are taught, therefore they are the product of external influences.
     
  6. revol

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    I actually had quite a propensity for logic far beyond my educators or even my parents..... My father is extremely analytical in his approach to knowledge, my mother is an artist and about as abstract emotional as they come.... Some how painting and sculpting as a child with exposure to analytical based knowledge, I became spatially gifted with an ability to reason within this grand picture of my mind.... I consumed knowledge and knew things before I was ever taught them.... I woke up in the middle of the night and drew diagrams and equations on the wall next to my bed.... Sometimes it took me months just to decipher all the numbers and equations that had come about from my mind.... I became disenchanted with the knowledge that the mind could only travel so far into infinity, limited by the equations alone and the observational aspect of providing it with value....a brilliance within it's own that always directed me back to myself in the infinite potential in expression of the mind.... Set free and nurtured to develop on it's own, a fractal of it's own recursive patterns of brilliance, it would offer knowledge in a collective mass that rivaled what I could have ever known.
    How could I ever be content indulging in these created values?.... If we discarded our ego in knowledge and nurtured minds within their own discovery, they would show us a brilliance that is far beyond our own comprehension..... This is where my mind has traveled!
    Logic and knowledge is not taught, it is developed and evolved by the minds set free within it! We are just children in this absurd expression of humanity, throwing tantrums to what we have yet to discover of our own brilliance.
     
  7. Incorporeal

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    Overall, the expressions you have made above are, IMHO, laced with egomania. A braggart of the most immense degree, which is the epitome of Egoism. I guess that 'if' highlighted above has not been accomplished yet, huh?
     
  8. revol

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    Actually, if you read what I posted; you would see that I gave up all the indulgence of ego or the idea that I was a great mathematician or physicist.
    Sure, I could have entered many fields of study just to pat myself on the back.
    Instead the idea through becoming a humanitarian; nurturing minds and setting them free.... Anything I could have ever become in this limited structure of knowledge would be utterly archaic in comparison.....
    In the most simple of terms, no single life could even begin to scratch upon the surface of their potential in expressions of intellect without setting every life free within their own..... If you want to declare this to be my ego, then I guess that is your choice alone.
     
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    Well, absolutely, it is a choice that I entertain, then that choice is based on how you have represented your own self.


     
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    with measuring each choice with the rules of natures 'life'.

    mankind can choose to do, what is not natural. Instinctive 'life' dont do the unnatural, by choice. For example: a human being can choose to circumcize their male children based on stupidity (beliefs) versus health (the original reason; egyptian)
    free will is why many within mankind have beleived it is separate from 'the garden' when the fact is, that is a lie as not a one can survive without nature.

    the 'purpose of life' is to live and wingnuts declar a path to worship. Freedom is in life, love and comprehension of how to live, life!

    Idiots focus on beliefs versus truth and why the wingnuts will go extinct, eventually. (truth destroys ignorance)
    absolutely.

    Teach everyone what they are, in fact and then equality is comprehensible to all that walk.

    Each are an evolution of life (light) over the time of existence with the ability to choose and cause actions that can enable themselves to live forever, in what we do.

    Punks divide mankind from nature as if man is a separate thing, within the body of nature (god itself).

    idiots teach children that mankind was kicked out of the garden by god, when it is the choice of each human life to even accept they are separate from the garden. What is weird is each breath, each eat, sleep, live and die.................. 'in the garden'

    No one has left, except by the stupid choice of idiots to lie to their very children.
     
  11. Incorporeal

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    Have you ever figured out yet who those 'liars' are? I am still interested in knowing. While you are at it, you also might want to more accurately describe who those 'idiots' and 'wingnuts' and 'punks' are. That would be equally entertaining to find out who they are. Are any of those that you have described members of this forum?
     

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