Christian Zionists Are Bogus.

Duke still is a bloody racist and he still denies the holocaust. To throw him into one pot with Finkelstein is to smear Finkelstein with dirt.

There is no merit in that video. It's plain anti-semitic drivel. "Spitting list", my ass! Just one more example that might give you a clue: Duke trying to smear Larry David as a "Zionist" pissing on Jesus. David is a comedian who makes fun of everybody and everything, furthermost of himself and his own Jewish heritage.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WznZbYxwmY&feature=player_detailpage"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WznZbYxwmY&feature=player_detailpage[/ame]

To talk of "Jews running Hollywood and the Media" is equally stupid as to talk of "Jews being behind Communism/Capitalism" and just one step away from saying Jews sacrifice Christian babies. As appealing you might find conspiracy-theories based in old-school Nazi lies, the real world is slightly more complicated.
And the real world is what you should base your criticism of Israeli policies on. There are plenty of things to criticize about these policies and attitudes without having to resort to exaggerations, misrepresentations and racist slur.

I even share your point, but your source is rubbish. I can but hope that your motives are not.

 

Duke has dedicated at least one of his books to a couple of Jewish men who were brave enough to speak out. I've read two of his books--"My Awakening" and "Jewish Supremacy" and found them to be well documented in every aspect. There is also no hatred directed at any race in either of the books.
To simply discuss racial history and racial characteristics and racial accomplishments---that is not Racism. Racism must include an intolerance or dislike for another simply because of their race. Neither is wishing to live in communities composed of people of your race a form of racism.

 

It's not a 'Jewish problem', but that said, it is (Zionism), a problem for Jews (as well as any decent minded human being).

It is a problem for Jews, because by no means all Jews are rabid Zionists, indeed, some of the bravest and most powerful opponents of Zionsim are, in fact...Jews.

I already cited one fantastic mind and writer, than of Norman Finkelstein, but he is by no means the only example.

The uncanny thing is that any Jewish person I speak to, who knows about, and who challenges Zionism, they tend to be both very intelligent human beings, who care about the value of life - all life.

Zionists actually do Jews a great disservice, not only do they desecrate the Nazi holocaust (see the story on the Aushwitz survivor), but there is a risk that many, not me, but many may be unable to see the distinction between Jews and Zionism. Just as many cannot make a distinction between Muslims and the Taliban. Therefore, I feel it crucial that at all times, Jews who are good human beings, they expose and oppose Zionism, wheresoever it manifests.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA5is7IcEqA"]'Judaism Yes, Zionism No': Ultra-Orthodox Jews march against Israel - YouTube[/ame]

 

Excuse me, is that some sort of threat?

Or maybe....

The Give Israel Your United Support (GIYUS) website hosts a downloadable desktop tool called Megaphone. The program alerts users to opinion polls and "talkback" features on news sites so they can respond with pro-Israel views. In turn, users can alert GIYUS operators to any opinion polls they think should be targeted.

The Jerusalem-based World Union of Jewish Students launched GIYUS and Megaphone on 19 July, a week after Israel launched air attacks in Lebanon

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/06/giyus_megaphone/

 

@ Junobet - as I say, I prefer to take the words of each man, on it's individual merits.

It is easy to marginalise Duke - he is certainly outspoken, and those unfortunate old ties with the KKK have been an easy target for his opposition.

While, being British, I am perhaps not as familiar with him as someone in the US, and while I would likely strongly disagree with him, in a number of other areas, I will say this - it is refreshing to hear someone who is part of US politics to at least attempt to speak their mind on the issues of Israel and Zionism - so many of the more 'acceptable' US political faces are literally scared to do so.

I understand that Duke is even considering running the the 2012 election, as a Republican candidate, and while not American, I can say that my politics tend not be consistant with that of that party, nor conservatism, US or UK style. I was not suggesting he and Finkelstein are the same, for a start, one is a politician, and the other is a political scientist. One is interested in being part of the political process, as in part of a party, the other isn't running for anything.

I may find Duke reprehensible in some other ways, no question of this, yet still feel that if people are able to lay their prejudices to one side, about him, then they will find much of what he says, in relation to Zionism, and how it hurts the US and Europe, to be true.

Jack

 

...and if it is, then it follows that Israel is the most racist state in the World.

 

I can see where you're coming from and I'm not accusing you of being an anti-semite. But you were naive enough to quote one of the worst kind. And it's pretty obvious from the video that he is. One does not have to be a member of the ADL to notice.

As for the point you tried to make:
Of course certain kinds of religious Jews hold Christians in contempt. Just as American Armageddon-craving fundamentalist Christians just pretend to love the Jewish people when really holding them in contempt.

And of course Netanyahu and his ilk abuse the holocaust-victim-card in ways that are trying to stifle any argument and that happen to be highly disrespectful of holocaust-victims. (And whenever David Duke and his brownish ilk open their ugly mouth they give Netanyahu and his racist ilk further munition to do so - so maybe you should be more careful who to quote in the future).

The holocaust should never be forgotten. It was the biggest crime against humanity in this modern day and age and has shown us how cruel prejudiced and racist humans can get.

But the holocaust does not justify the wrong-doings of the Israeli government in any way. Quite the contrary: as a people whose ancestors have been suffering the worst thinkable consequences of prejudiced slanderous racism, the Israeli nation should know better than treating the Palestinians in the ways that they do.
Thus it is indeed about time the US and Europe strengthened the many Jews and Israelis that seriously work for peace rather than kissing the feet of those, who obviously don't.

 

It is and it indeed follows that Israel is in many ways a racist state.

 

I did not make threats when I talked about consequences.

The consequences I am speaking about are based on history.

Historically, anti-Semitic propaganda leads to persecution of Jews.

Most recently, there was a genocide of Jews, but the propaganda came first.

 

As I've said, I take people on a case by case basis, who knows, if I am patient enough, maybe one day even Sarah Palin will be captured saying something that does have clear truth to it.

Well, maybe not, but you get my point.

Let us not dwell on Palin, or Duke, or any one person, as there is a much bigger issue at hand here, one which no one so far has been able to refute - the control that an alien idealogy, that being Zionism, has over the US and Europe, politically, and in other areas.

To argue that this is not the case would be a nonsense, as we can see from the US UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT for Israel. This means that both US Parties have pledged to keep on giving Israel arms and money, NO MATTER WHAT ISRAEL DO.

Even when Israel commits war crimes, the US political machine shamefully goes to work, to ensure that this is not the image of Israel that most Americans are permitted to see.

People in the US might think of what TV might have been like in Communist nations. Apart from boring. It would have routinely reshaped news, always to put a positive spin on the regime, and it's allies, with any stories that may put them in a bad light, simply not given air time. Is that so different to what you see today?

Think about that - Israel is almost the only political subject in the world, that unless you tow the line to, it will mean the end of your time as a serious political contender. That is more evidence of just how tight around the balls Israel has the US.

I cannot believe that once the US people wake up from their slumber, that they will be happy to find that they are enslaved in this way, and pay for it as well (in tax etc).

And since you mention the Holocaust, really, there is no one that cynically uses the nazi holocaust more, either for profit or political gain, than Zionists.

The only others I can think of who would treat such a thing with so much exploitation and disrespect would be actual Nazism, so there is a lot to be said that the two share much common ground.

I feel the need to put you right on one thing though, as it is historically important.

In terms of holocausts, it is a misconception to believe that there is only one holocaust, there have, in fact, been many, through history.

I would invite you to look at how many people the Bolsheveks are believed to have been accountable for killing, or that some 20 million deaths were attributed to Stalin, yet rarely do we hear of them, and rarely are we offered the wealth of books and films, that hammer home the point, again and again.

 

It is not propaganda, sir, to speak about how Zionism has control over both the establishment parties in the US.

That is a reality, and I believe it is one that more Americans and Europeans are slowly waking up to.

As has been mentioned, there are many erudite Jews who oppose Zionism just as robustly as any non Jew that I know.

Why do you believe they do that, sir? Do you think they are self hating, or do you suppose that as Jews, they find what the Jewish state has become t be an abomination?

 

Israel practices racism.

In Israel, a supposely free state (ha!), can a Jew marry a Gentile?

Zionism is racism, as I mentioned, they have the same warped sense of superiority and pseduo science ideas about their bloodline, as Hitler did about the German people.

 

I've read "manufacturing consent" and on that basis I'm willing to agree that our news are prone to be one-sided. While AIPAC and the ADL are considerable forces, this one-sidedness has nothing to do with some sinister Jewish conspiracy though.
And as somebody who grew up in Western Germany during the cold war I'm well aware of Bolshewik atrocities. There was no lack on news and information on them.

And unfortunately I'm awfully cynical. You may also call it realistic if you like:

The only country that might still be in some true conscience trouble when it comes to the unconditional support of Israel is Germany. (And even here voices of reason can be heard. I can't find the transcript of a speech our former Minister for foreign affairs Fischer once held, but it goes along the line that Germany because of its guilt that lead to the Israeli state also is responsible for the suffering of Palestinians and that because of its guilt it is a German responsibility that human rights are to be observed whenever a minority is under threat.)

The US-support for Israel has nothing to do with it being in the grip of 'Zionists'. It's to do with the fact that Israel seemed to be a convenient minion for US geo-strategic interests in the ME at some point, that they were a good customer when it came to buying US-weapons and that they're now armed up to their teeth , so that it's not as easy to mess with them as it was with other unethical regimes the US saw fit to support at some time or the other. The moment being an ally of Israel is seen as more disadvantageous than advantageous the US would not have any qualms to drop it like a hot potatoe and AIPAC can go (***) themselves. Then the US-media will change their spin, just as they did concerning the brave Afghan freedom-fighters fighting the evil Soviets, and the American public will eat the new spin just as they ate the old.

 

But with the Israeli lobby being so deeply bedded into the US politic, media, and banking, perhaps that moment (sic) will never come.

Until it's too late...?

 

Check out the monkey's on this vid;


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig"]Rapture Ready: The Christians United for Israel Tour - YouTube[/ame]

And, the first person to comment, they called it right, when they said;

'The Christian Right (CR)&Republicans often state that America was founded on Judeo Christian values. America's founding fathers were predominantly ATHEISTS& DEISTS. Republicans use abortion&gay rights issues to divide America during elections& to get CR support. .After elections such issues are conveniently forgotten. By referencing biblical prophecy,the Isreal Lobby uses the CR to ensure that BILLIONS in U.S. tax$s keep flowing to Isreal. CHRISTIAN RIGHT A.K.A. USEFUL IDIOTS'

 

I have had an interesting documentary sent to me.

I thought it would be interesting, as it does tie into this, if one or two agreed to watch it, and then we could discuss it afterwards.

I think it is about an hour long.

If anyone is up for that, post on here, and I will place up the link.


Thanks

Jack

 

If it's about the Rapture Bunnies I'll watch it.

 

It was so many weeks ago now, I have forgotten what it was!