CIA Malcolm Howard Deathbed Confession - I Brought Down WTC7

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  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    And if the US government says so it must be true, right? In this day and age (and probably always) it's often difficult to determine what is fact and what is fiction.
     
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    It is merely interesting and amusing. Even if it it true what evidence could he provide? He would have had to have kept it hidden from the CIA for years. So unless he provides that, it goes in the same category with the BBC announcing the collapse before it happened. Without the requirement of a time machine. :party:

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    If it's a hoax the only value it has is what I believe it has, to bring the issue to the forefront. If it's not a hoax, then it's a lot more than interesting or amusing.

    Details such as how exactly was it accomplished, names of accomplices, who authorized/ordered it, who pulled the trigger, when, why, under what pretext, dates, etc. He is unlikely to have any physical evidence but might be able to point to how that could be uncovered, if possible.

    What does that mean? The claim is that he is ex-CIA.

    Not really, if it's real he can provide the above information and that would be vastly different than the BBC's premature announcement. But it might also lead to the answer for that premature announcement, which BTW, came from 4 different MSM sources. If it is a hoax then there's no relationship at all.
     
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    Sorry, I was being sarcastic.
     
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    Actually I have to contradict myself. There is still a relationship, a positive one. It makes people aware that WTC7 was reported destroyed before it actually was, for those who weren't aware before. And unlike the video that is in question, it's documented reality. It's also extraordinary, just like 3 buildings being virtually leveled in seconds all on the same day. When you have some coincidences, you can attribute them to coincidences, when you have an uncanny amount of them, some of them so extremely convenient, as the video says, "too perfect", these are not coincidences, that is incredibly obvious.
     
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    psikeyhackr Well-Known Member

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    That might be something that is verifiable. But how do we know he isn't just a disgruntled ex-employee with a grudge and nothing to lose now that he is dying? But if he provides verifiable leads then that qualities as evidence.

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    psikeyhackr Well-Known Member

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    I know. This is something that qualifies as worth being sarcastic about until it turns up worthwhile leads.

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    If it was it likely would have already been verified or rejected.

    We don't know anything for a fact, never mind that.

    That's what I said, so far all we have is an unverified story and a couple of 3rd party YouTube narrations of the same story. With nothing more to go on it can only be treated as highly suspect.
     
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    Right. But Bush promoted General Myers the man in charge..for incompetence, or being a good little boy and covering up 9/11 and allowing it to happen?
     
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    I find it absolutely credible, and consistent with this government today. The government takes care of its own. Many books have been written about the CIA being in the drug business, Iran-Contra came and went, the CIA admitted Gary Webb was right about their drug trafficking, yet nobody went to prison for it.

    Why on earth would they prosecute one of their own for 911? Their behavior in cover-up is consistent.
     
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    We don't need to listen to the US government. We look at the evidence. Whereas the conspiracy nuts ONLY look at SOME parts of the evidence and ignore major facts. Conspiracy theorists pick apart one little piece of the story and try to come up with various reasons to why it might not be right.
     
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    You are generalizing, lumping everyone into the same group think mentality. In fact the above is a group think claim because I've heard the same or similar from many different posters. You're also conflating conspiracy "nuts" with conspiracy theorists. Just who are conspiracy theorists? The vast majority are in the law enforcement and justice industry (prosecutors, police, FBI, CIA, etc.) as well as those legislators who enact criminal conspiracy laws. Most earn a lucrative living from conspiracy theories. Government claims are often unsupported by evidence or based on partial evidence while classifying potentially contradictory evidence, usually to try to get the majority to support a self serving agenda.

    You don't want to listen to the US government? That's fine but the US government doesn't listen to you and acts on their claims, supported or unsupported, whether you listen or not. For me history has proven that all governments are a conspiracy against their people, there are NO exceptions. This nation was founded because its former government conspired against its people. You can read the list of conspiracies in our founding document, the Declaration of Independence. Nothing has changed since and in fact we are in a worse situation than the founders were. The primary protest was taxation without representation. We are inundated with taxes on just about everything, far exceeding the taxes assessed during colonial times. And our alleged representatives do not represent us, they represent the military industrial complex, billionaires and select corporations. Those who line their pockets.

    One can say something similar about those who trust government. They only look at some parts of the evidence, that which the government claims is evidence and ignore contradictory evidence, some (over)classified under pretext of national security, some readily available.

    “They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as authority.” - Gerald Massey



    If you believe all the above is conspiracy theory posted by a conspiracy nut, I'm ok with that. What it is is conspiracy fact, supported by history and evidence, it is not theory.

     
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    The problem is, the WTC7 conspiracy isn't a fact. It's a theory. Maybe "nut" was the wrong word, I didn't mean to be insulting. My apologies for coming off that way.

    There are so many theories about 9/11 that it's easy to see a pattern here. The theorist focuses on one aspect of the attack and creates a theory based off that (let's take jet fuel for instance), and digs into that. Then creating a background story.
     
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    I'm not sure what you're referring to exactly but so far there are only WTC7 collapse theories. The primary one being the unsupported NIST (government) theory. A building collapse theory is not a conspiracy theory, it's merely a theory. When and if the WTC7 collapse theory is a proven fact (whichever theory it is) then it becomes either a conspiracy fact or no conspiracy at all. As of now, the primary WTC7 conspiracy theory is that NIST conspired to obfuscate the truth about the destruction of WTC7 (and that is supported by many facts including some of NIST's own documented admissions). As you may or may not know I created a thread on the subject.

    You are generalizing once again. Everyone is different, you can't lump everyone into the same mindset. True there are many 9/11 theories and that is because the US government never legitimately investigated 9/11 and published unsupported/contradictory theories as fact. So the "pattern" begins with the official US government conspiracy theory.
     
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    The one area I question is how one of the 9/11 hijackers passports survived. I can't remember if that was just a rumor or true. But if true, I wonder how that happened.
     
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    What's true is there is a story that the passport survived, complete with a photo. It's yet another government story of yet another incredible and very convenient coincidence among the many incredible and convenient coincidences on 9/11. There's nothing to wonder about, it's just not credible at all. If that's the only thing you question about these incredible government fairy tales that's pretty sad.
     
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    At least ArmySoldier is wondering. Many people are utterly incurious. I say congrats on being curious in any way. :clapping:
     
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    This section of the forum generally brings in 2 types of posters. Those who believe the OCT 100% and those who don't. Those who believe it 100% fall into 2 types of categories, rabid defenders of every single official minutia (who almost always ridicule those who don't believe it) and those who just post selective defenses of the OCT on occasion. So you're right, it is rare to find a poster who believes the OCT 100% but questions even one minor detail. That type of poster falls into the "genuine" category, even though I find it incredible that a genuine poster questions only 1 minor detail. It would be nice to have a poster here who believes the OCT for the most part but does have a reasonable amount of questions. I have come across such posters in other forums.
     
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    Many people are simply uninformed of any details, largely because they have never taken the time to study the details. Heck, it was maybe 4 years later before I became aware of the WTC7 event. Some folks are curious, others not.

    However some are willfully ignorant--they do not WANT to know the details.
     
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    And as far as members of this forum, I'll bet many stay away from this section of the forum simply because "9/11" is a sub-topic of a main topic called "Conspiracy Theories". The term has been weaponized such that many treat it as a form of ridicule, a discussion section to be avoided by pretend realists. I personally vehemently object that in just about every single forum, 9/11 is relegated to the "conspiracy theory" section. So no matter the volume of facts some post about 9/11, the propaganda being peddled in just about all forums is that it's all "conspiracy theory".

    9/11 is one of the most defining events of our generation and the topic should have its own section without constantly being tagged as "conspiracy theory". If anything, "conspiracy theory" should be just one subset of a standalone section called "9/11", not the other way around.
     
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    Yes, the term has been weaponized, going back to the public response to the Warren Commission Report.

    In this case, it was just 2 months later when George Bush invoked the term as a weapon at the UN: "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September 11; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty."

    Manipulating the public psyche.
     
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    I was present at Ground Zero on 9/11/01 at the World Trade Center complex, rescue and later recovery effort and present at the major internal briefings, no press.
    I laugh at how you lot were not present at those events, and yet feel you all know so much about it.
     
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    Are you a ghost?
     
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    What a foolish reply
     
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    So were many others who have given documented testimony.

    And what do you claim to know that changes anything about what those who weren't there know that you find amusing?
     
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