CIA: Russia Was Helping Trump

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by CrankyPant, Dec 9, 2016.

  1. CrankyPant

    CrankyPant New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2015
    Messages:
    766
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Congratulations Republicans. You put Putin's stooge in the White House.

    Secret CIA assessment: Russia was attempting to assist Trump


    A secret CIA assessment has concluded that Russia intervened in the U.S. presidential election in an effort to help Donald Trump win the presidency, according to a report by The Washington Post.

    “It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators told the Post. “That’s the consensus view.”

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...sesment-russia-was-attempting-to-assist-trump
     
  2. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    68,271
    Likes Received:
    11,372
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The CIA shared their findings with several senators in a closed-door briefing session last week, and told the lawmakers that it was "quite clear" that electing Trump was Moscow's key objective, the officials told the publication.


    However, there were also some disagreements about the CIA findings, particularly relating to the extent of Kremlin's involvement in the operation. According to the report, the intelligence officials said that the Russian actors who passed the hacked information to WikiLeaks were "one step" removed from Moscow.

    Trump has previously denied the possibility of a Russian interference in the 2016 election, stating that he does not trust premature conclusions of various intelligence sources.

    President Obama on Friday also ordered a full review of the alleged Russian involvement in the election, stating that he wants it to be complete by the end of his term.
     
  3. EyesWideOpen

    EyesWideOpen Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2013
    Messages:
    2,184
    Likes Received:
    611
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Is this one of those silly "has all the earmarks of a possible Russian government hack" without any proof?
     
    Tommy Palven likes this.
  4. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    68,271
    Likes Received:
    11,372
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You mean the CIA?
     
  5. Johnny Brady

    Johnny Brady New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2016
    Messages:
    3,379
    Likes Received:
    42
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Don's eased off on the idea of prosecuting Hillary over the email scandal, but I daresay if Obama or any other Dems hassle him about anything he might change his mind and go after Hill bigtime.
    As Al Capone once said- "If somebody messes wid me, I'm a-gonna mess wid him"..;)
     
  6. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    26,147
    Likes Received:
    7,755
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    These claims without verifiable proof do nothing but damage relations even further. Our entire intelligence community is acting immaturely. But then, ever since the WMD scandal, the community has been in shatters and has failed to even remotely try to improve themselves.
     
    Tommy Palven likes this.
  7. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    26,258
    Likes Received:
    7,151
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Since Hilary Clinton repeatedly promised to have the US military attack the Russian military, including Russian civilian and military aircraft where Russian aircraft were legally flying and USA aircraft were not - the only presidential candidate to ever campaign on going to direct military war against Russia - there should be no surprise if the Russian government would be deeply interested in the USA election.

    If a candidate was running for president of Russia promising to militarily go to war against the USA I'm confident our intelligence community would do all it could to prevent that candidate winning. Anyone in the USA intelligence community who wouldn't do so should be fired, banned from any access, and if possessing any secrets that would aid war against the USA locked up in solitary confinement per terms of the Patriot Act.

    While it would be reasonable for the government to take further measures to prevent hacking by anyone, it is absurdly naive to believe countries do not spy on, try to hack and try to influence the selection of government officials. Remember, Wikileaks exposed that the USA spies on and hacks other governments - including our allies - for which not one person was prosecuted or fired.

    Regardless of who the hacker(s) are, we should be glad the TRUTH came out. TRUTH has it's own merit and justification. The fury over voters learning the truth about the DNC, Clinton, the Clinton foundation and Clinton operatives is, candidly, bizarre no different than a criminal defendant in court raging that he wouldn't be on trial but for the people who snitched on him - demanding the court and jury find him not guilty because his secret criminal activities were exposed without his consent.

    It also is nuts for Democrats to continually remind people of the emails given how damning they are.

    This also is still another "unnamed source" - which has always been the basis of the claim. Since such as the Washington Post have admitted they were tricked into publishing unvetted stories by "unnamed source" that proved later to be false, for which surprising the WaPo apologized, until there is some NAME to this claim I consider it as fully worthless.
     
  8. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    68,271
    Likes Received:
    11,372
    Trophy Points:
    113
    NO she didn't........
     
  9. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    26,258
    Likes Received:
    7,151
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Got a name at that CIA to go with that?
     
    Tommy Palven likes this.
  10. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    26,258
    Likes Received:
    7,151
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes, she did. She repeatedly vowed to establish a no-fly zone over Syria. Russia has permission to fly over Syria by the Syrian government - and the USA does not. A no-fly zone means shooting down aircraft of other countries. Russia flies civilian and military aircraft over, in and out of Syria. Shooting down Russian aircraft over Syria is vowing to militarily attack the Russian military (and civilians), which by definition are acts of war - no different if Russian declared a no-fly zone over Germany by American aircraft.

    Other motivations for Russia includes the overall warmongering nature of Clinton and her effectively vowing to renew the Cold War against Russia.
     
  11. TCassa89

    TCassa89 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2013
    Messages:
    5,990
    Likes Received:
    1,160
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Russia has a pretty valid interest in a Trump presidency, and that is they want improved relations with the US. While most of the world wanted Hillary Clinton to win the election, people in Russia wanted Trump to win because they want relations with the US to improve. It should also be noted that hackers being from Russia doesn't nessisarily mean there was involvement from the Russian government
     
  12. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    26,147
    Likes Received:
    7,755
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That's the important distinction to make here, and I think it's a distinction that the US Government is either purposefully NOT making, or ineptitude of an untold level exists in that part of the pentagon. If they connected it to a Russian source, that's just the FIRST step. They have to find out names. The way they can do that, is to go before the U.N. Press Russia on the issue, for some kind of response.

    But they have not generally done that. Despite what a gross violation it is, their official response has been "Look, the Russians did this! It's super bad." Well, do something about it. Complaining about it now, does nothing.

    Sometimes I wonder if the US government has kids wearing grown up disguises.
     
  13. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2008
    Messages:
    15,613
    Likes Received:
    1,984
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They call it a secret assessment yet it is openly published.

    Sounds like BS smells like it looks like it.

    Its BS
     
    Tommy Palven likes this.
  14. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    16,384
    Likes Received:
    9,199
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This is all about Russian expansionism and energy. Putin wants to restore the old Soviet and he wants the resources in the Baltic States. Hillary has toed the line in her opposition to Russian aggression. That's why Putin hates her.

    Trump on the other hand, probably has some vested interest in Putin's energy plans.

    Yet you have Trumpers who call liberals and progressives, communists or socialists!
     
  15. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    30,732
    Likes Received:
    4,494
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Okay, exactly what do you propose we do to prevent the Great Bear of the north from taking his stuff back? Given that almost all of those former S.S.R, thanks to Stalin, living among them. have quite large populations of Russian ex-pats.

    In some cases large enough that the only thing required would be a plebescite.
     
  16. vino909

    vino909 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2014
    Messages:
    4,638
    Likes Received:
    37
    Trophy Points:
    48
    ahhhhhh so it was Putin who changed all the votes by illegal aliens in Calif to votes for Trump.... well hell.... that explains it!!!
     
  17. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2009
    Messages:
    29,826
    Likes Received:
    996
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Granny thinks the Russkies threw the `lection...
    :grandma:
    CIA says Russia intervened to help Trump win White House: Washington Post
    December 9, 2016 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The CIA has concluded that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help President-elect Donald Trump win the White House, and not just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, the Washington Post reported on Friday.
    See also:

    Obama orders review into 'Russian hacking' before US election
    Sat, 10 Dec 2016 - President Barack Obama orders a review of cyber-attacks, blamed on Russia, that shook the US election.
     
  18. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    16,384
    Likes Received:
    9,199
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sanctions, international pressure... the only tools we have less military options. But letting him know that he can't expect to sweep across the continent like Hitler tried to do, isn't some progressive agenda.

    If we have given up on opposing the Russian threat to Eastern Europe and unavoidably. Western Europe, fine, but don't act like its some big liberal agenda. This has been the US policy for over 60 years. What is changing is Trump wants is to resign as the leader of the free world and become isolationists. Okay, that's an option but call it what it is. This has nothing to do with liberalism. In fact, what Trump is doing is highly liberal by definition. He is reversing long-held US policy. He is sleeping with the enemy.

    Part of Reagan's legacy was the collapse of the Soviet Union. That was hailed as one of his greatest achievements.
     
  19. ararmer1919

    ararmer1919 Banned

    Joined:
    May 26, 2014
    Messages:
    8,612
    Likes Received:
    2,147
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Aren't Librals supposed to be crying about fake news, not spreading it? You posted a blog spot and thought people were going to take you seriously? I mean really wtf?
     
    Tommy Palven likes this.
  20. peoshi

    peoshi New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2014
    Messages:
    2,105
    Likes Received:
    15
    Trophy Points:
    0
    If it takes a foreign government to expose a corrupt presidential candidate then what does that tell you about the CIA?

    If they did not know about it they are incompetent...if they did and said nothing about it then they are as corrupt as she is.

    So which is it?
     
  21. HumblePie

    HumblePie Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2016
    Messages:
    64
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Don't worry, there is plenty of proof. There may be enough proof to convict your guy of conspiracy and treason. Wait, it's coming.
     
  22. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2015
    Messages:
    22,408
    Likes Received:
    12,725
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Even if it's true that the Russians tried to help Trump, all they did was publicize the truth about the Democrats and Hillary. They didn't make up crap.
     
    Tommy Palven likes this.
  23. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2012
    Messages:
    42,401
    Likes Received:
    9,997
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You have to put on your thinking caps for this one:

    [​IMG]
     
  24. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2009
    Messages:
    22,807
    Likes Received:
    1,269
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    From your link:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...sesment-russia-was-attempting-to-assist-trump

    "A secret CIA assessment"

    The very first sentence in your link......Hey if it's secret then how to YOU know about it?

    Then this further on down...

    According to the report published on Friday, the intelligence agencies have identified various individuals who helped the Russian government

    Yeah there's a solid source..."various individuals".....You gotta be kidding me.

    The New York Times also reported Friday, citing senior administration officials,

    Ah yes...the tried and true 'senior officals' lie. Oh brother!! :roll:

    Then its this...

    The CIA shared their findings with several senators in a closed-door briefing session last week

    "Closed door briefing?' What'd ya have your foot in the door or sumpthin?

    And this garbage continually passes for 'news' in the MSM....And the libbie sheeple actually BELIEVE it!!!
     
    Tommy Palven likes this.
  25. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    16,384
    Likes Received:
    9,199
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Firstly, nothing came of it legally. But more importantly, Hillary, not Trump, was targeted. There was clear bias.

    And there was evidence that Russian hackers were fishing at election sites and targeting voter registration records. We may have no way to know if they altered results.

    It is hard to imagine that they day has come when an actual communist [former KGB no less!] wants to take over Eastern Europe again, and Republicans complain about opposing him and any objections to him meddling in the US election process. We have officially entered the Twilight Zone.
     

Share This Page