Clean energy jobs outnumber fossil fuel jobs in most US states

It is difficult to outsource the jobs for installing clean energy alternatives which is why it was driving the job market. Trump's slashing of the subsidies will come back to bite him IMO.

 

Yay. Another thread full of hysteria and empty of facts.

It will be ignored again but let's try.

Name a specific negative effect of dumping the Paris agreement.

 

And what exactly did obama do for alternative energy?

I mean besides paying off his cronies in Solyndra ($529M), Ecotality ($115M), Abound Solar ($70M), Fiskar Automotive ($139M), A123 ($249M), Beacon Power ($43M), Ener1 ($119M), all of which went bankrupt.

In fact, 22 of the 26 alternative energy companies which received govt subsidies under obama (the section 1705 program) went bankrupt.

So your claim that govt funding is the golden goose for alternative energy is false. The govt subsidies were money down the toilet for the taxpayer.

 

R & D in future energy sources will be reduced significantly without the drive from the government - you won't be able to compete in the export market with the rest of the world who are pushing ahead in manufacturing and research into renewable energy technology. Secondly, there won't be any effort put in to produce systems that are not polluting.

 

Does pulling out of this agreement require a cut in funding or from companies from funding it themselves?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ris-climate-agreement/?utm_term=.313abab9ec49

Several CEOs say they will continue with their green energy developments despite the US leaving the agreement.

 

Wait... How in the word do low prices of renewable energy contradict what Trump did? (I saw that false argument on CNN last night , btw)
Not being involved in the Paris agreement doesn't stop the U.S. from cutting on emissions, right? If wind and solar become cheaper than coal, who in his right mind would build coal plants instead of going for the cheaper and more cost effective solution?

So, withdrawing from the Paris climate agreement doesn't stop America from having her clean energy cake and eat it too.

 

Ehm ... the problem is that they and natural gas won by fracking are still cheaper ... and this together with steel crises which needs lesser coal created the job losses ... which Trump wants to give back by getting out of the Paris agreement. You understand now the real BS what this troll tells?

 

I honestly have no clue what you are trying to say here.

 

So hard to understand?

Trump tells that Paris agreement killed US jobs in coal mining because no one wanted coal due to the agreement, correct?

Wanting and need for US coal is lowered and so jobs in mining are killed due to fact that US natural gas is much cheaper as coal and the customer #01 for coal = steel industry needs lesser coal due to fact that they are in crises because foreign steel is cheaper!

So ... what has Paris agreement to do with this real reasons for killed jobs in US coal mining again?

 

even the ceo of exon doesnt think coal has a future

 

the US exports about 10% of its coal production.

 

Since 2008 coal production in the USA has steadily declined ... from 1.063 million tons in 2008 to 812.8 million tons in 2015 (digits for 2016 not yet available).

This has of course been rectified with the Trump decision to cancel the Paris agreement which is the major guilty reason for this?

 

Sure... because he backs on oil and natural gas

But has coal any real future at least? Good question!

But there are so many possibilities to create new jobs and economies for clean energy or even to make old energy cleaner ... who cares? No one! Ignorance vs. Logic = 1:0 half time result!

 

you are ignorant, Exxon is investing heavily in renewables but it is true business men in america know coal is fading in favor of renewables and natgas. The problem is the ex coal miners in W. Virginia that voted for trump arent smart enough to get it and thats the moron in chiefs base.

 

I call what he did slopping the hogs.

 

I am for sure not ignorant ... not only Exxon does this, all others do this too like Shell, B.P. and so on! But this is only an alibi and to have the foot in the door for the future!

But I agree with you, that the miners were not smart enough about... but on the other hand have the coal miners and the regions heavy problems, because politics of both sides failed here totally since decades!

 

the dems lack of response to the effects of globalization is what gave the election to trump.

 

In the article it says wind and solar are already rivaling coal and gas in terms of prices. The steel industry is in a league of its own.

Also... America is producing a lot less pollutants today compared to 30 years ago. I mean, cars are more fuel efficient, now all the consumer products (TVs, phones, PCs, kitchen appliances, plastic junk of any sort) are made in China or somewhere in the region; consumer electronics is more efficient (LED bulbs, A+ fridges, etc.). So, no need for the amount of energy that we used to use.

 

There is no law that prevents you from handing over your paycheck, to save the world, if you actually have one.

 

The funny thing about this whole globalization debate is that it is the result of ultra - capitalism for free economy and has propagated profit as a whole, as in the United States.
Look ... if anybody in the US sometimes wanted to intervene as a president in the free market economy and their free decision to regulate, then he was rightfully insulted by the right as a communist! Now, however, the bad consequences of the whole come back as a fist in the face of the US (and others)!

Take simply the topic of outsourcing ... speak in the US is something more expensive than abroad, wooops - the people in the USA are fired and the jobs abroad shifted! Why? Just because profit is everything and if something is somewhere else cheaper than at home, then it is outsourced and the profit increases because of falling costs! Globalization is ultimately the result of unregulated capitalism!

Even if everything is now sounding communisms is great, I am not a communist or socialist ... but the facts are now so as told!

 

Globalization is only part of the situation, not only in the US but also in other countries like China. Robotics are estimated to displace more jobs than globalization. Until society figures out what to do with the former factory worker class there will be more societal upheaval.

 

I know this robot will kill jobs more and more very well, but honestly I am skeptic about. One point is again the pure cost question, because if the purchasing and maintaining of a robot is more expansive as some very cheap people to do the job, then the robot lost! But technical advances are on the other hand goring on... but also are there some areas where production went back or stays on human work instead robots which can do it currently too (out of several individual reasons).

 

factories in china are using robots now so I infer that the cost issue is no more. My real concern is what will the dumbasses of the world do. smart people will do just fine. I expect significant societal dislocation in the not too distant future. Trumps support is a harbinger of things to come I suspect.

 

But look closer which robots and doing which job ... jobs which are done here since 40 years and more by robots

 

Coal miners in WV didn't know that Hillary wanted them shut down NOW, and Trump objected to that stupid meddling with an expected economic evolutionary cycle and understood that coal mining jobs are still critical while this country depends upon its production until the nexgen source of energy meets market demand?

I'd suggest that the person not getting something is you. These coal miners knew exactly what was going on.