Complain to your sitting member about the CARBON TAX SCAM

Some amazing info here. Now that bugaplugs has convinced me that Julia didn`t lie about the carbon tax, I have to ponder why 99.99999999999% of Australians think she did? They must all be on drugs.

 

It is called the Goebbel's effect - tell a big enough lie often enough and it will be believed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie

 

I didn't say Julia didn`t lie about the carbon tax.

I said that it was Labor policy to introduce a price on carbon - and that is exactly what they have done. As promised. In accordance with the wishes of the majority of Australians that voted for candidates who supported the introduction of a carbon pricing system.

Why Julia tried to play silly word games on the eve of the election is anyones guess. But it lost her a lot of votes to the Greens - from people who wanted a tax and not a market based system.


What has been delivered is a market-based system with a 3 year fixed price period. It is NOT the tax that I would have preferred to see. But - it is far better than a Great Big Tax to pay polluters, as is the Liberal Party policy.

 

Ahhhhhh, welllll, that makes everything alright then. COUGH!

 

Yes it does, doesn't it. Despite what Alan Jones tells you.


A majority of Australians voted for a price on carbon.
That was Labor policy
That is what has been legislated


What is your problem?

 

Will you stop writing bull(*)(*)(*)(*)!

Most Australians that voted for the labor party at the last election did so because of this,

 

Somebody who doesn't even understand the conversation is in no position of accusing others of writhing bull(*)(*)(*)(*)

We have all seen your contribution here:

I suggest you pull your head in and try to actually understand what is being discussed. You may not have got up to it yet in your class at school - but you should still try to learn.


Now - FYI - at the last election, the swings on primary votes were:

Labor -5.4%
Liberal +0.8%
Greens +4.0%
http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/guide/parties.htm

The vast majority of the primary votes lost to Labor went to the Greens.

People who wanted a carbon tax deserted Labor.
That is why Labor does not control the Parliament.
That is why the Greens were able to insist on a 3 year fixed price period on the carbon pricing scheme.

The Carbon Pricing Scheme that was ALWAYS Labor policy.

You really need to stop listening to Alan Jones.

 

Why do you say this?

Because Alan Jones told you it was true?
You should not always trust Alan Jones.
Especially if you meet him in a public toilet.


Why don't you think that most Australians that voted for the labor party at the last election did so because of this, which was the headline in the Australian right before the election:
Julia Gillard: My carbon price promise

JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term as part of a bold series of reforms that include school funding, education and health.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/features/fed...se/story-fn5tar6a-1225907552000#ixzz1lVUF4cIr

Do you understand what the above headline says?

Why do you continue to deny it exists?

 

Do you ever read any of your own posts?

 

1041 posts about nothing. Hes like an australian version of Jerry seinfeld.

 

Yes.

I have explained to you that the Government has delivered a carbon pricing scheme, in accordance with it's policy going into the 2010 election.

And in accordance with the wishes of the majority Australian people who voted for candidates who supported the introduction on a carbon pricing scheme.

Personally, I would have been happier to see a flat tax on carbon usage. But Labor said they would not do this, so they did not get my vote accordingly.


What don't you understand about this?
(Try to answer without quoting Alan Jones please)

 

As numerous posters have explained to you, Julia (I`ll always support Kevin Rudd, there will be no carbon tax under any Govt I lead) Gillard is a liar.

 

Hey bugs just exacty how is the carbon tax going to decrease emmissions?

 

Come on bugs just exacty how is the carbon tax going to decrease emmissions?

 

It`s a tax grab, AGW is all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

 

Still denying that Labor policy was a price on carbon I see.
And a price on carbon is what they delivered.

Stop listening to Alan Jones.

Look at the truth.

JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/features/fed...se/story-fn5tar6a-1225907552000#ixzz1lm8Sl4Rz

And that is what she delivered

 

So - by trying to change the subject, are you admitting that Labor did in fact go to the election with a policy to introduce a price on carbon?
And that is what they have done - in accordance with their policy?



JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term
That is what she said.
That is what happened.

Have you given up trying to deny this?

 

You appear to be trying to say that voters shouldn`t listen to election promises, but analyse party politicy for themselves, and vote accordingly. You might even have a point, in a bizarre kind of way, no one with any sense would believe anything the lie queen said.

 

Under Juliar's carbon tax THERE WILL BE NO EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS FOR THE FIRST THREE YEARS but some big industries will have to start paying $23 for every tonne of carbon emmitted (not sure if it is every tonne of carbon or every tonne of carbon dioxide).Only a facility that produces MORE THAN25,000 TONNES OF CARBON WILL HAVE TO PAY.
Because this will catch coal and gas power generators the price of EVERYTHING will go up.
But the question we should be asking is if there was no urgency as evidenced by the fact that there will no emissions reductions for 3 years, why didn't Juliar and Labor take the proposal to an election and ask Australians if they approved of such a radical and swepping change to their tax and economic system? ESPECIALLY AFTER JULIAR REPEATEDLY ASSURED AUSTRALIANS BEFORE THE ELECTION THAT HER GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT AND HAD NO PLANS TO INTRODUCE A CARBON TAX.

 

What was the "promise" she made?

"There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead."

She appears to have kept that promise as far as I can tell.

The government has introduced a market based mechanism for pricing carbon.

I would have preferred to see a tax. A government regulated price applied to all carbon emissions, with revenue being invested in renewable energy. But Labor ruled that out. That is why they did not get my vote.

Yes - they did attach a 3 year fixed price period to their proposal in order to get Green support. It is better than nothing But it will still revert to a cap-and-trade system with the price set by the market. Not regulated by the government.

I don't trust the market. I want a government regulated tax. Gillard promised there would be no tax - and that is why she did not get my vote. And, as promised - she did not deliver a tax. She delivered a market-based pricing mechanism.

 

Yes. Labor's policy is inadequate. That is why they lost votes to the Greens. Their carbon pricing mechanism is inferior to a government requlated tax system set at an appropriate level

Or, as the Greens policy states:

implement a gradual and long term shift in the tax system from work based taxes to taxes on natural resources and pollution including:
- a carbon tax levied on generators of mains-supplied electricity or gas
- a national carbon trading scheme; and
- other ecological taxes and charges at a level sufficient enough that their prices reflect the full environmental cost of their production, use or disposal.
http://greens.org.au/policies/sustainable-economy/economics

We should have had a carbon tax. Gillard has not delivered one. At least she was honest about that though. She told us before the election she would not implement a carbon tax.

 

Wiggle, wiggle, squirm, slither, slither, buck, twist, wiggle wiggle. You are in denial mate.

 

Why did Gillard make an arrangement with the UN that requires 10% of any carbon tax raised in Australian to be given to the UN climate change fund?

That would amount to $3billion every year…

What has Australia’s carbon tax got to do with the UN?

 

Nothing.

What you are referring to comes for Australia's aid budget. Nothing to do with the emissions trading scheme

Learn about things for yourself rather than spreading crap that Alan Jones told you
http://www.climatechange.gov.au/government/international/finance.aspx


The reason for the funding:

It is in Australia's interest to assist developing countries to build their capacity to reduce emissions and to take urgent adaptation actions while maintaining a priority focus on development, in particular the eradication of poverty. Early action on both adaptation and mitigation will reduce global costs and the costs to individual countries. To this end, Australia is working to build a coordinated approach that will deliver financing where it is needed most, as soon as possible.


Or do you expect big Tony to get out in his budgies and "stop the boats" once the climate change refugees start arriving? Better idea to try to help them not come in the first place.

 

Boring Bugs is about the only peopson in the universe carrying on this arguement.

Bugs is a lonely thing.