Complete failure of Gun Control

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  1. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

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    Nice spin. Hahaha.
     
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    Its not spin. It's the simple fact. I did point out that in two of the cities you referred to specifically, Memphis and Nashville, the city governments did indeed create laws that refuted state law, and that in Highland Park the city did enact gun bans where the state did not. If someone happens to live in a state where the is no state preemption, their 2A rights can indeed be restricted by their city, in violation of McDonald.
     
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    That would be a rare exception.

    "Local Laws
    Counties, cities, and towns also have the authority to make laws. Local laws are issued by elected lawmakers and local administrative agencies. Local laws cannot conflict with state or federal laws. Decisions by local courts generally operate as law insofar as they apply to the participants in the case. To a lesser extent, local court decisions may have a prospective effect. That is, a local court decision can operate as precedent, but only in cases brought within the same jurisdiction. For example, a decision by a court in Green County may affect future court cases in Green County, but it has no bearing on the law in any other county. Local laws can be found in local courthouses, in local libraries, and in state government libraries. Local laws may also be accessed via the World Wide Web."
    LEGAL-DICTIONARY, THE FREE DICTIONARY, Law.
    https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/law
     
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    You really think states run cities?

    "Local Laws
    Counties, cities, and towns also have the authority to make laws. Local laws are issued by elected lawmakers and local administrative agencies. Local laws cannot conflict with state or federal laws. Decisions by local courts generally operate as law insofar as they apply to the participants in the case. To a lesser extent, local court decisions may have a prospective effect. That is, a local court decision can operate as precedent, but only in cases brought within the same jurisdiction. For example, a decision by a court in Green County may affect future court cases in Green County, but it has no bearing on the law in any other county. Local laws can be found in local courthouses, in local libraries, and in state government libraries. Local laws may also be accessed via the World Wide Web."
    LEGAL-DICTIONARY, THE FREE DICTIONARY, Law.
    https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/law
     
  5. ECA

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    Aren’t elected lawmakers senators and congressmen??? You’re making my point
     
  6. Vegas giants

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    Local laws can not conflict with state law

    Read your own post

    Local laws can not conflict with state laws.


    Lol
     
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    Arguments between state and local governments are fairly common and the generic concept of State Preemption over local laws has often landed in court. On gun law, it is a very good idea to reinforce State Preemption with a specific law, but even this has been contested in court. For example in Arizona, a state with preemption law, the city of Tucson has been involved in multiple legal conflicts against state gun laws. Leading to some losses and some amendments to restore the state's authority over Tucson's desire to control gun sales and ownership.
     
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    No, Senators and Congressmen do not create local ordinances. Google "city councils" for further guidance. ;-)
     
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    IOW, you know that the President, Governors, Senators and Congressmen do not run our towns and cities. Right? ;-)
     
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    I didn’t say they did. I just asked you if senators and congressmen are elected officials...;)
     
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    So you were just asking an irrelevant question to derail the thread?
     
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    Yes, scofflaw cities and courts are common now as demonstrated by the sanctuary city movement.
     
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    Not irrelevant at all. But you know that. Heh heh heh
     
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    You better believe they do.
     
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    And all these mayors and other elected local officials are just useless ornaments for the really Big Government? The ultimate DP dream. ;-)
     
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    Just the facts buddy. It's civics 101
     
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    Local governments don't matter. Civics 101? ;-)
     
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    No Vegas local elected officials still run city governments. And ghost towns sure spend a lot of money. This is how that works:

    "New York City Owes Over $100 Billion for Retiree Health Care
    (Bloomberg) – New York City faces future health costs for its retired workers of $103.2 billion, an increase of $40 billion over a decade. It has about $5 billion set aside to pay the bill.

    The so-called “other post-employment benefits” liability was disclosed in New York’s comprehensive annual financial report released by the city comptroller’s office Wednesday. The city’s $98 billion unfunded liability for retiree health care exceeds the city’s $93 billion of bond debt and $48 billion pension-fund shortfall.

    “The numbers are huge,” said Maria Doulis, a vice president at the Citizens Budget Commission, a budget watchdog group funded by the business community. “If you’re looking at the big three liabilities, this is the one that’s problematic, because there’s nothing set aside to address this and there’s absolutely no strategy on the part of the city.”
    ZERO HEDGE, New York City Joins The "Imminent Bankruptcy" Club, By Tyler Durden, Fri, 11/02/2018.

    Or do you think Trump ran up all that local debt for NYC? ;-)
     
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    The term rich ghost town is hilarious and incredibly stupid
     
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    They matter.....but the Feds and state government can override them and that is a fact
     
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    Civics 101. That's funny.
     
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    Then you must think the MSM news media is "incredibly stupid". ;-)

    CITY LAB, How Manhattan Became a Rich Ghost Town, New York’s empty storefronts are a dark omen for the future of cities., BY DEREK THOMPSON OCT 15, 2018. https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/10/how-manhattan-became-rich-ghost-town/573025/
     
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    I am relieved to discover that you know that cities are run by local DP politicians. This is how that works:

    "Mayor Catherine Pugh fired Kevin Davis in January after the city recorded 300 homicides for the third consecutive year. Darryl De Sousa assumed the helm in an interim capacity before being confirmed in February. He resigned in May following federal tax charges."
    CBS NEWS, BALTIMORE (WJZ) — The interim Baltimore City police commissioner has withdrawn his application for the position, 10/9/18.
    https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2018...re-police-commissioner-withdraws-application/
     
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    Finally. You now understand that the feds and the state have jurisdiction.


    I knew you could get there
     

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