Comprehensive Amnesty Threat...

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  1. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can you say, "Front door amnesty"?

    Obama Official: Illegal Aliens Will Receive Work Permits:

    According to a Wall Street Journal report, illegal aliens will be eligible to receive work permits if their deportation is deferred through the Obama Administration's new policy. Yesterday, the Administration announced that the Department of Homeland Security will review all deportation cases on a case-by-case basis and only deport illegal aliens who have been convicted of crimes.

    The Administration has come under scrutiny from pro-amnesty groups for its record number of deportations, despite its policy of focusing on only criminal illegal aliens. Still, half of last year's 400,000 deported illegal aliens had not been convicted of a crime other than entering the country illegally. But several states, including Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, and Arizona, have increased efforts to arrest individuals in the country illegally.

    "The Obama administration should enforce immigration laws, not look for ways to ignore them," said Rep. Lamar Smith (R., Texas), head of the House Judiciary Committee.

    Illegal aliens living in the United States typically don't apply for work permits for fear of deportation, but under the new policy, they could apply for work permits if granted deferred action or parole and compete with 22 million Americans who can't find a full-time job.

    Source.
     
  2. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I find it funny how these groups come out whining about the U.S. deporting lawbreakers. Screw them. Deport them all. Come in the front door the well-established legal way.
     
  3. TRS

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    I don't think obama would do this BS. But he knows there is no one left to vote for him,but the immigrant sheep.
     
  4. Mushroom

    Mushroom Well-Known Member

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    To late, already done.

    http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/08/19/deportation-review-a-textbook-example-of-effective-activism/

    His DREAM Act failed to pass congress at least 2 times, so he decides to ignore that and orders it in place anyways.

    And here we go, at the same time that guaranteed College benefits for Veterans takes a beating, we have the Government making it easier for illegal aliens to attend college.
     
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    He will come after Firearms hard within next 6 months .
     
  6. TRS

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    I have Latino friends that voted for him,and already said they won't do it again.
     
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    Mushroom Well-Known Member

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    My wife is furious over this. And she was born and raised in South America.

    She remembers all the work we had to do for her to get her Legal Resident status. And it pisses her off to no end to see how it is just being given to people.
     
  8. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama is shameless, and continues to defy The People.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He'll have a fight on his hands. I wouldn't be surprised if he will cross a line that may just jeopardize his well being.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Many others are pissed off that came here the well-established, legal way.
     
  11. TRS

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    The same thing happened when Reagan gave amnesty. The immigrants that stood in line were furious as they watched immigrants cut to the front of the line.

    This is going to go like this. This good Latinos who are in line waiting line for the chance at legal citizenship will once again fall victim of pro-immigration groups like La Raza.La Raze and a couple of others are only out for one thing...That is to become the majority in this country.

    What needs to happen are good folks like your wife need to say this is BS to pro-immigration groups like La Raza.
     
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    Mushroom Well-Known Member

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    The Reagan system was quite a bit different though. In order to even be considered, you had to prove you had been in the US continously for at least 5 years, had no criminal record, had not taken any government assistance, and had paid taxes. If you had not met all that criteria, you were denied.

    This time, the only requirement is that you do not have a criminal record. You can come right across the border and immediately qualify for amnesty. The Reagan system only permitted those who had been here for years to normalize their status. This time, you can come across and go in and apply, or even have collected welfare for years.

    And my wife used the system under President Reagan to help get her status normalized. She was a visa overstay, something her father hid from her (as well as her mother and sister) until we were engaged. But within a month of getting married she had normalized her status, and has not had a problem since. But her status would have not been an issue to resolve even without the Reagan program. Legal entrants that overstay their visa and go to the INS to solve it (rather then waiting to get caught by the INS) have always been easy to resolve. The only difference the Reagan program made is that she did not have to leave the country and re-enter to become normalized.

    Her mom and sister were normalized the next year, but they missed the program. So they had to get a new permanent resident visa, travel to Tijuanna and re-enter the country. And being refugees from the "Dirty War", they all could also have gone the Political Refugee and Asylum system, which also makes it easier to avoid deportation as long as they come forward and apply instead of waiting to get caught.

    The biggest problem I have with this Presidential Fiat is that it does nothing and gives no incentive for people to come forward and apply legally through the INS. They are welcome to milk and abuse the system, and are allowed to continue to ignore the immigration laws. It only comes into effect when they are caught, in making it so they are not prosecuted and deported.

    The Immigration system in the US has always been rather forgiving, as long as you go to the INS yourself and try to make yourself legal. The only time it gets harsh is if you break the law, or are caught. The Reagan system rewarded those that came forward, but punished those that did not (or who abused the system or broke the laws). This one provides absolutely no incentive to become legal, it only coddles and protects those that are caught. And it does not even seperate those that wrongly use the welfare system from those that do not.

    No, there are huge differences between the two programs. One was "Amnesty if you take the effort to get it", this is simply "Amnesty for everybody".
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Reagan's amnesty deal also included securing the border. It still has not happened.

    Any program that involves dealing with illegal immigration, has got to incorporate ACTUALLY securing the border.
     
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    I remember when this thing went down with Reagan. I lived in Dallas and the line at the place where illegals were to sign up was all the way around a dozen blocks.There were fights and riots.

    There were plenty that snuck in threw the the Reagan amnesty by just being a liar and a thief. What obama is doing is just one more step to destroy America...Its in his blood.

    The biggest question I ask at immigration rallies is this. When Reagan gave millions amnesty,the ideal was the influx of immigration into the US would stop or slow down. That never happened. Now with obamas plan,what will it result in. Another 10 million in 5 to 10 years.
     
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    The only way the border will ever be secured is when terrorist come threw and destroy a vital area or numerous people are killed.
     
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    You people just do not understand!

    As much as I am disgusted by the even idea, "amnesty" is really of little consequence in comparison to all the children the illegals are having.

    The whole issue of "amnesty" is merely a distraction perpetrated by the corporate-controlled media. Why does it matter so much whether the two parents will be given citizenship, when all five of their US-born children will be given citizenship with no questions asked?

    The illegal immigrants in the USA are just the tip of the iceberg! The real problem, that you never read about in anti-immigration literature, is all the children they have been having. 51% of the students in California are now hispanic! Looking at this figure, we can get a clear understanding that the problem is actually much worse than the "modest" statistic of 2.2 million illegals in the state.

    We need to change the fourteenth ammendment- and do it fast!
     
  17. TRS

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    I agree about the 14th. There are a couple of bills to change it. But seeing its election time I don't she much happening.
     
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    Personally, I have always believed that the child should hold the same citizenship as the mother. And the only time a child born in the US should have US citizenship is if the mother is a US citizen, or the mother is a legal permanent resident (green card).

    Period.

    This is also one huge reason why I refused to buy into the entire "Brither" coprolite of recent years. I do not care if President Obama was born in Hawaii or Honduras or anywhere else. His mother was a US citizen by birth, and that is all that should matter.

    One thing most people did not know was that in 2008, one of our Presidential Candidates was for a fact not born on the US. John McCain was born in Panama.

    In fact, I can name somebody else who ran for President who was not born in the US. Alexander Hamilton.

    Born on the island of Nevis, he was not even born in one of the 13 Colonies.
     
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    Theres a long story about Alexander Hamilton and requirements for presidenting at the time.At the end of 1803, which was Hamilton’s last full year alive there were only eleven amendments to the Constitution.But there were loopholes at that time.In a legible list, the checklist is as follows:

    •Natural born citizen or citizen at the time of the Constitution’s adoption
    •Thirty-five years old or older
    •Must have lived in the US for fourteen years or more

    Which is really good for Hamilton, because — according to Wikipedia — he moved to the thirteen colonies around 1770 and had been a resident ever since then. The third clause of eligibility would have been fulfilled by 1785.

    George Washington, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson were never natural born citizens either. In order to be a natural born citizen, you had to be born in the US. And the US didn’t exist until 1788.
     
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    Mushroom Well-Known Member

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    If you notice, I did not say that Mr. Hamilton was not eligable. Just that he was not born in the 13 colonies. And I would not be all that surprised if the wording was put in place just so he and a few other of the founding fathers could qualift to run in later years.
     
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    Your correct...When the bother thing about obama came up Mr. Hamilton was a name many debated about. It was interesting story.

    But the illegals have manipulated birth right citizenship the way it is today.
     
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    Hmm, a Mexican (married to an American citizen) applying for immigration should expect at least a 3 yr wait to come in the "front door." An unmarried son or daughter of a naturalized citizen of Mexican should expect a wait time of about 8 yrs. The well-established legal way is flawed, and is one of the reasons for the high rate of illegal immigration.
     
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    Yes, but he qualified

    "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."
     
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    This is possibly quite true, unfortunately. We have a reactionary government, instead of a proactive one.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This anchor baby/birthright citizenship crap has got to stop. The bastard Democrats and RINO Republicans do not have the balls to change that.

    These illegal (*)(*)(*)(*)ers are multiplying like mice.

    I'm sick of this (*)(*)(*)(*).

    Secure the God(*)(*)(*)(*) border, enforce our laws, and deport these sneaky little (*)(*)(*)(*)ers.
     

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