Congratulations, "truthers", You Won!

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  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    It's just about unanimous, at least 3 OCT defenders in this section of the forum are in denial of the grand jury investigation. Then again, they're all in denial of many of these proven facts:

    1. That there are over 100 corroborating eyewitness claims of explosions, supported by physical and video evidence.
    2. That there are dozens of corroborating eyewitness claims of molten steel, iron or metal, supported by physical and video evidence.
    3. That the OCT is a lie and a coverup, supported by the 9/11 Commissioners.
    4. That NIST perpetrated scientific fraud, supported by the NIST reports themselves and expert analysis.
    5. That the 9/11 Commission knows they were lied to and that their report is far from final, supported by the 9/11 Commissioners.
    6. That the 9/11 Commission Report disclaims itself, supported by the 9/11 Commission Report.
    7. That there is a massive coverup of 9/11 by the US government, supported by the US government's own claims.
    8. That the WTC towers did not collapse as a result of planes, damage, fire or a combination despite NIST's hypothesis peddled as fact, supported by physical and video evidence, common sense as well as expert analysis.

    And much more.

    Truth always wins because it's absolute and never changes. Lies always lose because it changes regularly and it's always fantasy, not to mention it requires denial of truth.
     
  2. yasureoktoo

    yasureoktoo Banned

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    They don't take fantasy's to the grand jury.
     
  3. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    I normally ignore you because you rarely ever have anything to post that's meaningful. In this case though, I have to agree with you 100%. The Lawyers' Committee for 9/11 Inquiry would never have filed any fantasy with their petition and the US Attorney would never have complied with the petition if the exhibits filed were fantasy. So the grand jury will be investigating the facts, not fantasy.

    https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org/exhibits-index-grand-jury-petition/
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    Yes, that's where all your money is going.
    Then they will toss it out.
     
  5. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Hey Bobby...

    If the this grand jury investigation finds that none of the evidence provided by the lawyerscommitteefor9-11 proves/shows an inside job, will you:

    A: Agree with them and stop your claims that 9/11 was an inside job

    or

    B: Claim that everyone involved with the grand jury investigation is part of the coverup/conspiracy/incompetent and continue to rant/rave that 9/11 was an inside job
     
  6. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Can you point me to the the "Eyewitness testimony" and/or "Instrument readings" that "forensically" show 4,000F, which is the burning temperature of thermite.
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  7. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Your questions are irrelevant because it isn't up to this grand jury to determine whether 9/11 was an inside job or not. The primary objective of this grand jury is to determine if a crime was committed with respect to the destruction of the 3 WTC towers beyond the OCT claims.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Nope. There is no such thing as eyewitness testimony that can possibly measure any temperature at that level and you know that. There is however EVIDENCE that shows that such a temperature must have been attained, provided by the exhibits and you also know that. Why do you care anyway, you're only interested in denying anything and everything that contradicts the OCT. You have no interest in trying to get at the truth behind 9/11, for you the OCT is truth no matter how much evidence shows it's clearly a lie.
     
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  9. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Where is the explanation from the committee to support their statement that thermite/thermate/nano-thermite was the reason that "extremely high temperatures" were present months after the collapse? Are they suggesting that thermite/thermate/nano-thermite continued burning "at Ground Zero for months after 9/11" to maintain these high temperatures?
     
  10. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    So let me rephrase this for you.

    If this grand jury finds that no crime was using thermite/thermate/nano-thermite/pre-planted explosives to destroy the 3 WTC towers, will you;

    A. Accept the grand jury's ruling and move on

    or

    B. Will you claim the grand jury is in on the OCT, incompetent, or both

    Edit:

    Wait I think I know the answer already...
     
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  11. Bob0627

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    Exhibit 01 suggests it as does the physical evidence shown in photos and videos as well as FEMA claims.

    They are suggesting what they are suggesting, not what you're trying to imply they're suggesting.

    Don't bother.

    And that's why. Once again, the grand jury's objective is to determine if a crime has been committed beyond the OCT claims. Is there something you don't understand about that and about grand juries?

    And that's another reason not to bother, YOU decided, I didn't. Furthermore, you show no understanding of the purpose/objective of a grand jury (or you pretend to).
     
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    Will you accept their findings? For clarification - I will.
     
  13. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    If a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich and if grand juries have been wrong in the past, why would I blindly accept any grand jury findings in advance without knowing the details of how they arrived at their findings? Grand jury deliberations are not public so no one will ever know what went on.

    That's not surprising, you also accepted the OCT as truth.
     
  14. l4zarus

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    You seem to be suggesting anyone who accepts the OCT (aka what happened in reality) has bad judgement.
    Need I remind you your judgement has been less than stellar about other conspiracy topics?

    I would provide links to this and other forums, but the last time that happened, Bob went on a flag mods/whine spree...even though it is directly relevant to his repeated assertions we so called OCT supporters have bad judgement and reasoning skills.
     
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    The OCT is not what happened in reality, it is an acronym for the Official Conspiracy Theory. Anybody who still buys into a theory long ago proved invalid does have bad judgment. At the very least he needs to feed his head some knowledge, but after 17 years it's safe to say he is so deeply in denial about facts that knowledge is the last thing he is interested in. He is averse to knowledge and addicted to propaganda from the state.
     
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    Very technically....even by "truther" standards... that is correct: OBL and 18 fanatics conspired to attack the USA by hijacking airplanes. This is a conspiracy to commit a crime. But it is one back up by solid evidence, not tinfoil lunacy conspiracies involving thermate/thermite/space beams/nukes/blamingjews/mossad/etc.

    That's correct...anyone remaining a "truther" after 17+ years of having every truther theory proven incorrect, if not invented by confirmed grifters, does have bad judgement.

    Glad to hear you're finally seeing this is a waste of your life.
     
  17. Bob0627

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    If the OCT is reality to you despite the enormous amount of evidence (including the storytellers' own admissions) proving it's a mountain of lies, your ability to judge reality from fantasy is quite hopeless, never mind "bad judgment".
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Backed up by solid evidence? What evidence can you cite?

    Why did the Commission report state some 60+ times that "we found no evidence" for one element or the other of the OCT? Why did Senator Mark Dayton say that NORAD should be prosecuted for perjury because of its inaccurate and contradictory testimony? Why do nearly 3000 architects and engineers point out the numerous errors of the NIST report? Why has a US Attorney just accepted a petition to empanel a GJ based upon very credible evidence that the OCT is horribly wrong?
     
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    What a ridiculous question. Have you even read the Commission Report? Let's go through some of these "no evidence" statements and see if you can explain which element of the "OCT" they refer to and why you think they mean anything.
     
  20. Bob0627

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    Funny thing, the 9/11 Commission wrote a lengthy disclaimer for chapters 5 and 7 of the 9/11 Commission Report. That means they found NO EVIDENCE for anything they published in 2 entire chapters, yet they peddled these stories as if it was fact.
     
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    reference please ...
     
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    There seems to be something in that question that causes you to quake with fear at giving an honest answer. On the one hand you make lots of noise about how this grand jury is going through all the "incriminating" evidence and how this is some amazing step forward for the "truth" movement(a misnomer of epic proportions), then you enter your bullshit "get out of jail free" card by saying that they may get it wrong. Well Bob, that is just your crock of crap way of saying that if they don't find any wrong doing they're all wrong. Don't insult everybody who you argue with, by denying that.


    Zip it Bob. I will accept their findings. Even if they find wrong doing.
     
  23. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    You once said that the 9/11 investigations were "adequate". How on earth did you come to that conclusion when it's obvious by your question you've never read the 9/11 Commission Report? It seems you also never read through the thread I created which has quite a bit of information on the 9/11 Commission and their report. Anyway you can find what you're looking for (or don't want to know) in post #152.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...n-scam-exposed-in-all-its-glory.495859/page-8
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    The usual crock of bulldung. Why would I "fear" answering any legitimate question honestly? I have zero to gain by lying.

    More idiotic nonsense. You got the first part partly right because it is a fact (assuming they don't skip any of the incriminating evidence) but the rest of your sentence is YOUR made up invention. You won't find a single post written by me that supports your nonsense. In fact if you actually read my posts on the subject you'll find a few that expresses my skepticism, including of course the one you quoted. The only thing this grand jury petition might be of benefit for is to potentially expose the many issues that have never been addressed (and suppressed) by the US government. But that would only work if the grand jury investigation details (from others) was publicized as much as possible despite that those details are not public. And we have ample evidence that the MSM is going to avoid it like the plague. It would also be quite helpful if the grand jury found that a crime was indeed committed other than what the OCT claims. But I'm not holding my breath on that one.

    Are you hoping and praying?

    Yes you already posted that and I agree you will, your undying faith in authority is well established by your posts.
     
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    It's not either an honest response or a lie. It's evasion.

    Ok, so all the commentary you've made about it is not actually you jumping for joy, but some odd sense of impending subterfuge.

    That you drop your incessant attitude? Or that you go and find an enjoyable life to have?

    So let me get this straight. If the GJ find problems and I accept this, you have a damn problem with that!!? Meanwhile you are so on the fence, you are in danger of splitting your backside.

    Why Bob? I mean, what is your goal here? You "discuss" this stuff every day of your life dozens of posts a day, to achieve what? The GJ is in action and that doesn't satisfy you? Seriously you are so wrapped in your blanket of doom, you can't see that it is suffocating you.
     
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