Conservatives lie about history to exonerate conscience

http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/conservatives-lie-about-history-to-exonerate-conscience/

This is a often used argument by conservatives on this board, that the republican party of today has anything in common with the republican party of lincoln. A brief look at history shows that the same social conservatives who opposed women, minorities, and rights of anyone other than white men were social conservatives. Those same social conservatives squarely occupy the modern republican party and have always been against any kind of positive change that doesn't directly benefit the white, christian male.
It's time people on this board call out the revisionist republicans who attempt to highjack the progress liberals and progressives have championed throughout our history as their own because of party affiliation when it happened. I suspect most of it is disingenuous nonsense, but I think there are truly people who think the mostly southern, social conservatives have even stood for anything but exclusion.

 

Really? I haven't been here all that long, but I don't think I've seen that argument. Most conservatives of my acquaintance don't even like Lincoln. His only redeeming feature was his racism.[/quote]

A brief look at history shows that the same social conservatives who opposed women, minorities, and rights of anyone other than white men were social conservatives. Those same social conservatives squarely occupy the modern republican party and have always been against any kind of positive change that doesn't directly benefit the white, christian male.[/quote]

All factions deserve their own political champions. BTW, I am also opposed to any kind of negative changes that doesn't directly benefit whites.

But I am also in favor of all changes that indirectly benefit whites, so you are wrong on that score.

No, it is all completely disingenuous nonsense used just to bait the liberals. We all get a good laugh when you splutter with righteous indignation.

You, and that cretinous journalist fell for it. LOL!

You and the rest of those damned progressives are more than entitled to lay claim to the "progress" that has progressively ruined this country in particular and the West in general. I am hard pressed to think of a single "progressive" policy that:

(1) Hasn't failed to secure its objective.
(2) Didn't produce negative unintended consequences.

So now that we have cleared that up, can we talk about something interesting?

 

So we have to go through this AGAIN? Republicans end slavery, Democrats whine and for the next hundred years back KKK members. Republicans support civil rights bill, Democrats and their elected KKK members oppose. The reality is either party could have changed its name at any time, if you were looking at your history which would you rather associate with? We already know, Democrats still want to be known as the party of the KKK even though now they pretend they like minorities even though their policies towards minorities shackle them almost as much as actual chains would...

 

Would this be akin to the leftists who today support Planned Parenthood forgetting that it was that nasty racist old bag Margaret Sanger who founded it with the goal of reducing the number of minorities, particularly Blacks under a Eugenics regime?

Its time to remove all mentions of support for racist, eugenics loving organizations like Planned Parenthood and those who support them from this board.

And isn't it racist progressives who believe that minorities, particularly blacks, are so incompetent that they can't survive without the daily butt wiping of affirmative actions and drool dabbing of welfare programs that Democrats proclaim is the only way minorities will be able to survive? Why, those attitudes seem to be the perfect follow on for progressives like Margaret Sanger and Woodrow Wilson.

 

The fact Remains that it was the DNC that was the Party of slavery, Rape, KKK, Lynchings and Dread Scott. An to this day the DNC has never officially acknowledged nor apologized for their horrible violent history toward Black Americans.

It is long past time for the DNC to face, apologize and ask the nation's forgiveness for all the rape, murder and lynchings that per perpetrated by the DNC.

Then we as a nation can finally put this dreadful chapter behind us, and heal.

 

not southern conservatives... lol, southern progressive.. which of course now call themselves democrats

 

again??? this idiocy never ends. it seems as if every day one of the ignorant wee bairns comes on here, defines conservatism through their own warped lens and then hops up on their soapbox to tout modern liberalism and the democratic party as the sole owners of the moral high ground. they have no sense of history, only the most limited understanding of the terms they spout and, at best, a tenuous grasp on reality. it's rather funny until you realize that these are the sort of fools that cast ballots based on their fantasies. conservatives have tried to explain what their stance really is, but it will never make even the slightest dent in preconceptions based on the propaganda of glad-handing political animals and the half-truths of media whores. it simply isn't worth the effort any more. the best we can hope for is that they grow up to recognize that the world is not so black and white as they would like to believe and that they don't dig themselves into too deep a hole before they realize that they themsleves will have to dig themselves back out.

 

It was African-American leaders like James H. Hubert and W. E. B. Du Bois who invited Margaret Sanger and her organization into the community in the first place to provide family planning and birth control. If her intentions were racist, that was apparently lost on Martin Luther King Jr., who praised her work in 1966. If Margaret Sanger was a "nasty racist old bag" then I must be a Republican.

 

It is overwhelming Democrats who continue to insist and demand that blacks, Latinos and other minorities are distinct ethnic and racial groups of "them," separate and distinct from white people and mainstream society.

The origins of the Democratic Party begins with Andrew Jackson, the most bigoted and genocidal president this country ever had - and the only president to openly defy the US Supreme court for purposes of carrying out his atrocities against Native Americans. Obama declaring he can do whatever he wants by executive orders is his following in Jackson's footprints.

It is time to call out the majority of the so-called liberals, progressives and Democratic Party for the racists and bigots they are.

 

This thread should straighten this all out. Jefferson Davis - progressive. Lincoln - social conservative. Sing it from the mountaintops. Yeah, that'll work.

 

Welcome to the club go read the Eugenics literature of the thirties and tell me who you think those undesirables she was constantly harping about were.

 

"The Negro constitutes half the poor of the nation. Like all poor, Negro and white, they have many unwanted children. This is a cruel evil they urgently need to control. There is scarcely anything more tragic in human life than a child who is not wanted. That which should be a blessing becomes a curse for parent and child. There is nothing inherent in the Negro mentality which creates this condition. Their poverty causes it.".

This statement, says it all. They believed their children were unwanted because they were poor. So like Margret Sanger, they thought the most amendable solution were to kill them. Yes, such benevolence indeed! No one can whitewash what kind of sadistic evil Margret Sanger grew up to be in life. It's a shame she's even an American, she espoused anti-western views, and then we naively accepted those views.

When a single child is born as impoverished as Sanger's 6 relatives, it immediately dispels the little intelligence she used to come up with the theory that the size of the family influenced income. The solution isn't "family planning"(as if you could plan for such a thing), the solution is healthy, livable wages for all working Americans.

We get that kind of economy, and child births will bloom all over. That self-evident truth will banish morons like Margret Sanger to the depths of ignorance where she belongs.

 

Why should I use other people's literature to define her position when I can use her very own words? She considered "undesirables" those who engaged in "careless and reckless breeding" hence the name PLANNED PARENTHOOD for her organization.

Can you show me where she applied this philosophy to one race over another?

 

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A brief look at history shows that the same social conservatives who opposed women, minorities, and rights of anyone other than white men were social conservatives. Those same social conservatives squarely occupy the modern republican party and have always been against any kind of positive change that doesn't directly benefit the white, christian male.[/quote]

All factions deserve their own political champions. BTW, I am also opposed to any kind of negative changes that doesn't directly benefit whites.

But I am also in favor of all changes that indirectly benefit whites, so you are wrong on that score.




No, it is all completely disingenuous nonsense used just to bait the liberals. We all get a good laugh when you splutter with righteous indignation.

You, and that cretinous journalist fell for it. LOL!

You and the rest of those damned progressives are more than entitled to lay claim to the "progress" that has progressively ruined this country in particular and the West in general. I am hard pressed to think of a single "progressive" policy that:

(1) Hasn't failed to secure its objective.
(2) Didn't produce negative unintended consequences.

So now that we have cleared that up, can we talk about something interesting?[/QUOTE]

Well here ya go.

This idiocy never ends.

And did you really say

His only redeeming feature was his racism?

 

No, she believed that the poor had many unwanted children because they did not have access to the resources to prevent pregnancy in the first place. Birth control is about much more than abortion.

 

It won't end because misapplying the terms "liberal" and "conservative" is all they have to deflect from the irrefutable history of the Democratic Party on race.

George Wallace? Progressive
Bull Connor? Progressive
Albert Gore? Progressive
Richard B Russell? Progressive
the most racist Presidents in the 20th century? Progressive.

... on down the line, when you actually READ any history, you see glaringly and instantly that these old "conservative" racists were in fact P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S-I-V-E-S in an overwhelming majority, UNION progressives, BIG GOVERNMENT progressives, TAX AND SPEND progressives. And as many times as we point this out here on PF (there literally is no debate possible on this point, a vast majority of Democrat racists through the entire 20th century were as a matter of fact, progressive politicians), they will be gleefully "forgetting" and repeating the same lies in the same kinds of threads in a few days.

Yet, in "not having two brain cells to rub together" land, it was the -conservatives- not the Democrats who instituted a reign of lynching terror on blacks and then kept them from voting... despite this never has been the case. The unreasoning they use to construct this offense to history and logic is in a veiled circularity they hope their rabble blocs will buy, in effect "conservatism IS racism... because what was to be conserved was racism and slavery." (it really is that banal and stupid) And that's all that matters in the advertisement, that and endless repetition.

There are still poor white racists out there, not per capita, but still sizeable numbers. They work in the same mills, attend the same churches, ARE MEMBERS OF THE SAME UNIONS, that their lynching granddaddies did. If a black man isn't running, they pull that lever Democrat every time... just like their unions tell them to. If a black man is running? They stay home in the trailer park, drink and beat their... erm... wives. They wouldn't vote for the "Party of Lincoln" in a million years... they just died out to the point of irrelevance as race became less of a voting issue in the South.

But rest assured, they are -still- Democrats to this day. I'm sure there are some GOP racists out there as well, but far fewer, and puts the lie to the "conservative" racist canard.

 

you believe you are entitled to take someones labor by force or threat of force . not much has changed from where i am sitting .

 

Hint to all the women out there:

If your boyfriend is too cheap to pay $30 a month for BC or $0.50 for a condom he doesn't like you, or he is a loser. Don't sleep with him. You are not my ward, you are not my slave master, do not assume you are entitled to my labor just because your "man" doesn't like you and uses you as a c** bucket.

 

I'd be happy to simply have fallen for a joke. Ignorance and stupidity are so rampant on the right that it's near impossible to tell when someone actually believes the contemporary republican party has ever cared about social justice for anyone besides white, christian men or is simply 'trolling liberals.'

 

Case in point. You are the perfect example. The only question is do you believe all of those lies you just spewed, or are you too ignorant to know the difference?

 

There it is, exactly what the author was talking about. You are making this entirely too easy. perhaps you are dense enough to think that the democratic party of Andrew Jackson ( A racist from Tenn. who would be a republican in today's world) has anything in common with today's DNC shows how poorly read you are and how ignorant of history.

It's exactly your kind of ignorance to blame for the sad state of the republican party.

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Very deep and philosophical. Care to comment on the article posted or are one sentence quips without merit your contribution here?

 

And even with the tools we have today, there's still millions of so-called "unwanted children". So, what's more idealistic? Trying to plan something that humanity has shown that it cannot plan? Or, creating a new world where every child can live and grow prosperously? My ideal is just that. And I believe it's an ideal we'll reach.

 

Slavery is about taking a person's labor. The Democratic party is obsessed with taking a person's labor. I see no change. Instead of taxing 13% of the people 100% of their labor, now they tax 100% of productive people at least 30% of their labor. Democrats have always been and it seems they always will be the party of slavery. If you have nothing to say about that, you can troll someone else.

 

Actually, everything I said is true. And Blacks are finding out anyway:

The Democrat Party gave us the Ku Klux Klan, Black Codes, Jim Crow Laws and other repressive legislation which resulted in the multitude of murders, lynchings, mutilations, and intimidations (of thousands of black and white Republicans). Democrats gave their lives to expand Slavery, the Republicans gave their lives to ban it.

From a young Black Woman who has learned the truth:

These are facts of history you cannot run from. Pretending your history is actually someone else's is a lie. Pretending your history of slavery and racism doesn't exist is not healthy. It is long past time for the DNC to look the nation in the face and honestly admit your horrible history of oppression toward Blacks. Face it, Admit it and Ask The Nation's forgiveness.

To keep lying and pretending about it, well, they are going to find out anyway. You should urge the DNC to do the right thing so that our nation can move forward and heal.

https://thelastcivilright.org/2012/...ivil-rights-movement-and-the-black-community/