Conservatives, this is what poverty looks like.

sure... but "I'm depressed because my life sucks" is not a handicap....

 

No, if my father was a deadbeat, he would not have paid any child support and he would have fought it when he was required to pay an additional two years of child support because for two years an employer was embezzling money out of the account.

I've addressed the issues about my father in subsequent posts later in the thread, I am not in a habit of reexplaining myself multiple times in the same thread, hence why Unifier's question on the same point was ignored. Despite your assertions, it would have been worse had my father been around, since the income requirements for my Medicaid at the time would have been well surpassed by having both parents in the household.

I'm not inclined to trace under who's watch the income requirements were established, but suffice it to say the Conservatives must not have been too motivated to eliminate the corruption since the income requirements were still around when I last checked in 2010.

This was never about the minimum wage, this was about the welfare trap caused by the minimum wage and exacerbated by the low cutoff for government aid.

Well, since it was a civil tort, and she was eight months pregnant with a child who was already determined to be disabled, where would she have found the time between the numerous doctor visits to find a lawyer and initiate a case which would have likely been removed to federal court and then, once adjudged, would have likely have been appealed as high as the corporation could take it? It seems many people here don't seem to comprehend that having a disabled child means between caring for the child, sleeping, and if you're lucky, working, you have roughly zero time to yourself.

No it's not. I honestly figured I wouldn't live to graduate high school due to numerous issues. In fact, my mother was told that I would not likely live past six. But then again, that's what you get when you don't understand the circumstances of another person and then turn around and criticize them, you end up looking like a jackass.

Cerebral Palsy and hydrocephalus are. Look em up.

I am not depressed. I understand just how fortunate I am. Another woman my mom befriended when I was a child lost her daughter to the same condition I have. Another acquaintance my mom met had a son who, by the time he was 20 had had 21 complete shunt replacements.

This whole thread shows that not all people on welfare are lazy. There are many, MANY, very hard-working people on welfare that, in a just society, would not even need welfare.

 

and that's fine... you should be helped with legit issues.... my point was, there are millions that are "my life isn't as nice as I pictured it should be, therefore, someone else is to blame" disabilities.

 

There you go again. Shooting your mouth off without knowing the first thing about which you are talking. Are you a conservative?

There are 14 million people on either SSI or SSDI, not all of them are faking, in fact, the vast majority of them are not faking.

 

when "vertigo" is a "disability", I am hard pressed to think that your numbers (which I'm not disputing) hold any validity....

I have every excuse in the book, too


alcoholic parent
non-citizen parent
noone paid my college
stuck in a min wage type job


and yet I overcame.... I'm now a degreed individual, who has a good (non min wage type ) career....


suck it up nancy, I hate that life isn't fair, but to sit back and tie all your bad choices back to your disability

 

You live in a dream world. Actually it's more of a nightmare for those who have to put up with your warped sense of reality.

 

Well, I'm not in the habit of reading through 150 posts just to get your short blurb that you could copy and paste if you already know where you mentioned it (or just give the post #). I mean really, be reasonable. You don't want to go through the effort to press control+c then control+v, don't get pissy and expect me to read through 150 posts. It's hypocritical.

Now, I'll just restate what you seem to have missed - statistically kids who don't have a father there are far more likely to live in poverty as adults. And the 'problem' of additional income from a father doesn't show that it would have been worse (for the purposes of our discussion), it only further shows that we need to reform welfare. Which conservatives have been saying for decades.

That's pretty silly reasoning. The conservatives didn't achieve x, so they weren't serious about it? Well, they also didn't achieve a federal ban on gay marriage, privatizing social security, securing the border, a pro-life agenda, voucher plans etc. but, according to you, they couldn't have really meant it because the proposals didn't become law. -_-

Sorry, that's pretty bs. As is your cop-out about the minimum wage. Essentially you mean this was never about the minimum wage, it was about the effects of the welfare trap in combination with the minimum wage.

[video=youtube;BNsrK6P9QvI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI[/video]

Sorry dude, that's a hopeless cop out. She didn't have time to call a lawyer? And if she wasn't fired for some other legitimate (and good) reason, she likely would have won the case. Courts are extremely sympathetic to mothers, that's why some ~90% of custody cases go in the favor of mothers. Add on the circumstantial situation that would garner even more sympathy, and she was basically a dead cert to win - again, if she wasn't fired for a truely legitimate reason. And, too add to it, most of such cases are usually settled outside of court, which is enough of a win. Even if corps win, they don't like such cases going to court, because the horrible publicity of such a case (which, as you put it, is an absolute tear jerker and so clean-cut no one could doubt the corp was in the wrong) - that publicity would cost the company more than giving your mother her salary and benefits for life w/no work.

 

Yes, taking responsibility can be a nightmare for some which is why you want the state to take care of it for you.

 

Twisting others words to reflect your hate is very childish, but you do do it well. Been hating a long time haven't you.

 

So hate equals expecting others to be responsible to themselves first and their fellow man second? Perhaps you're a bit confused on the concepts of love and hatred, and how to express them.

 

With all due respect, why didn't she just have an abortion?

 

Do you hate Str8Edge?

To the OP: you're close. That is what intellectual and moral poverty looks like.

 

THIS is Poverty.

 

Yes, it is what a lack of Socialism bailing out Capitalism looks like.

 

I don't hate anyone that's why I don't mind helping folks less fortunate than myself. But cold heartedness is appalling to me and it's not in my nature to sit by while this guy insults the person who's mother took the only options available to her to keep her son healthy.

It's easy for those who have had better luck than some to kid themselves into thinking that what worked for them will work for everybody. Assuming you know what others could have or should have done to create a situation that you approve of is the height of arrogance and foolishness.

People see what they want to see.

 

If every entry level worker was responsible 100% of the time with their money and still barely able to put food on the table, then you'd have a more valid point - but that's not true. People being irresponsible with their money is just as much, if not more, a cause of poverty as actual circumstances beyond one's control, such as a major medical emergency. (And yes, this includes having kids if your only source of income is a welfare check, or a part time job at Burger King - that's a form of financial irresponsibilty).

The average uneducated person is also uneducated about how to manage money (and they don't teach financial management in public school as far as I know) - so if they can't handle what little they have - you could give them a 6 figure income and they'd still wind up poor in the end - like these guys:

http://www.moneycrashers.com/bankrupt-celebrities-rich-broke/

 

Except, my mother and I were fortunate enough to go to school in a district that mandates personal financial management classes as a requirement for graduation. I am fairly certain that the requirement was in place before my mother graduated high school and thus she would have been required to take the courses. My mother is also very good at stretching money, else we would have been in a much worse situation throughout my childhood. Likely the worst financial decision she made was to attend an absolutely disreputable college to attempt to further her education without doing her due diligence in researching the institution's abhorrent reputation. Then again, even I was swayed by the fast-talking salesman, and I took multiple marketing classes in high school and later recognized his pitch as pure doublespeak.

 

You're doing great as someone that is so typically conservative....full of hate and vitriol. That is, until you find yourself in the same boat, and then you'll be wanting everyone to understand that your situation is different. I had a Republican/conservative friend, who is for all the same things that you are, cut the government programs that help the poor, do away with education, let every one be home-schooled, and then she was faced with a crisis. Her daughter, divorced with two kids lived and worked in the New Orleans area. Katrina came around and demolished her apartment. She had no renter's insurance and the company she was working for went under. She started coming to "mama", my friend for help.....boy was my friend happy when Government aid was able to help her daughter and get her off her back. Never mind how she used to feel about such programs, before.

If all conservatives are like you, greedy, self-righteous, and insensitive, it's no wonder your party is shrinking and the majority of your base is gray-haired old white men who want to control women....keep up the hate, you're doing a great job.

 

Because every right-wing conservative is doing so well, they never need help and they give so much of themselves, they have no compassion for anyone else. Just wait until they hit a snag on the road, they'll be wanting any government program they can get their greedy hands on.....and they'll have no shame for having been against those programs....how do I know? I've come across many that have hit hard times and don't mind being on the government tit, but their situation is always different.....their's was totally not their fault....Bwahahaha......

 

That's inaccurate - the average person doesn't have a child born with brain defects requiring extensive surgery.

Yes there are horror stories about people being stuck with $100,000s of medical bills - but that doesn't happen to the majority of people, in fact the majority of people never have a life threatening emergency at all.

 

Well, the long view of the story is that people without insurance and spare dough will avoid getting regular prevention visits to a physician and won't go in UNTIL an emergency simply to avoid the bills. Overall, this is a terrible way to treat healthcare, would you not agree?

 

The healthcare system we currently have is awful, but stories like this are nevertheless still the minority - not the "average person's life"

 

Well, my dad's average. He's going to die in debt, which will get passed to me. He was diagnosed with cancer, literally got laid off weeks before it was diagnosed, so he didn't have insurance at the time. I'm going to have to pay his doctor bills, likely, after he dies and he's still about 15 years from current accepted retirement age.

That's an average story. I'm no one special, everyone in my family was born without lifelong illness outside of bad eyesight.

 

You cement the image that we already have of Republican/conservatives. And even though there are some conservatives that truly care about others, it's hard to believe them because those like you are the most vocal and in-your-face with your mean-spirit and disregard for others. Keep up the good work, I like how more and more people are beginning to realize that the Republican party is the party for the wealthy, the party that gives entitlements to the wealthy that other people paid for....and I hope you are one of the wealthy, because if you're not, that has got to be the dumbest thing....whining about giving to the poor, when you don't mind giving to the rich. At least the poor need it, the rich just laugh at folks like you, who defend their scams and support their lifestyles.

The Republican Party's approval rating has fallen to its lowest level in 21 years, says a new Gallup survey released on Wednesday. Only 28 percent of Americans have a favorable impression of the party.

"With the Republican-controlled House of Representatives engaged in a tense, government-shuttering budgetary standoff against a Democratic president and Senate, the Republican Party is now viewed favorably by 28% of Americans, down from 38% in September. This is the lowest favorable rating measured for either party since Gallup began asking this question in 1992," the polling company stated.
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_10_11/Republican-Party-s-approval-rating-falls-to-lowest-level-in-21-years-6466/

 

Your story reaffirms my optimism about Humanity.

Good on ya!

But now to the matter of your thread title.

'Conservatives, this is what poverty looks like."

Don't you realize there are a bunch (stats anyone?) of people with money who started out at the lowest rung on the socio-economic ladder?

Your thread title suggesting Conservatives are unfamiliar with poverty isn't fair and it doesn't reflect reality.