Contradictions in atheism

"dishonesty"? Where is there any level of dishonesty being applied?

 

so if i ask you if you believe there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his prophet

Then you would think about there being no god but Allah and that Mohamed is his prophet

Then you believe in no god but Allah and that Mohamed is his prophet

and that’s the contradiction in not believing there is no god but Allah and that Mohamed is his prophet
and that shows that not believing in no god but Allah and that Mohamed is his prophet is a lie


Rather than something crazy like being an atheist requires you to have an alternate definition of what a god is

From something like

The being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe

Being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically: one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality

To something like

The mythological/fictional being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe

a mythological/fictional being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically: one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality

Where an atheist would not believe things like the 1st set of definitions but would have to believe in things like the 2nd set

 

But the fictional hairy potter is not a real person because the actor who plays him is

While stig 42 is an alternative or fake name to whoever is behind my account

no i might make stig 42 a real representation of myself but the actor who plays the boy wizard hairy potter dosent make the boy wizard real even if the role of the boy wizard in the film represents the real actor

 

When you tried to sell me on the idea not believing in something made not believing in that something a lie and a contradiction

that was dishonesty or at least i hope it was the only way out maybe is if you dont know any better then i guess it may not be

 

Wrong. I did not try to sell you on anything. All I did was present the definitions of the word 'believe'. So, if you think that there is any 'dishonesty' being brought into the forum, then perhaps you should launch a lawsuit against the dictionary company for publishing such 'dishonest' definitions. Be prepared for a huge legal battle... What your complaining amounts to is just an emotional outburst when FACTS are presented that you cannot refute. So, if there is any 'dishonest' behavior being displayed, it would be your behavior, in attempting to deny the facts presented in the definition of the word 'believe'. Like it or lump it,,, it is factually within the definition. If you have an 'opinion' about something, you believe in that something.

 

um atheists don’t have this for gods
To accept as true or real: Do you believe the news stories?
2. To credit with veracity: I believe you.
3. To expect or suppose; think: I believe they will arrive shortly.

 

it seems an atheist can believe things about gods and not believe in them at the same time with no contradiction

 

Wrong. I did not try to sell you on anything. All I did was present the definitions of the word 'believe'. So, if you think that there is any 'dishonesty' being brought into the forum, then perhaps you should launch a lawsuit against the dictionary company for publishing such 'dishonest' definitions. Be prepared for a huge legal battle... What your complaining amounts to is just an emotional outburst when FACTS are presented that you cannot refute. So, if there is any 'dishonest' behavior being displayed, it would be your behavior, in attempting to deny the facts presented in the definition of the word 'believe'. Like it or lump it,,, it is factually within the definition. If you have an 'opinion' about something, you believe in that something.

 

same for this



1. The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or confidence in another: My belief in you is as strong as ever.
2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something: His explanation of what happened defies belief.

 

It would seem more likely that those same people you are talking about, are merely ignorant of the definitions of words that they elect to use on a daily basis.

 

You kind of chopped out the parts of the definition that worked against you thought to be honest im guilty of the same thing

 

Do you accept as true or real that God does not exist?

Do you expect or suppose that others might take up your belief that there is no God or gods?

Do you expect people to credit your belief with any degree of veracity?

 

What plank? What stone? Are you now hallucinating?

 

i don’t know if god exists


That is not what i believe

I never said I was an atheist


But i imagine people who do feel that way might be i just don’t see the contradiction

And the dictionary seems to be saying that believing is not just thinking about

 

sorry was a reference to something

 

The 'fictional harry potter' that you see on television or movie screens is the video accounting of a real person.

"fake name"? "fake 1 (fk)
adj.
Having a false or misleading appearance; fraudulent." That would mean that most of the people on this forum are perpetrators of fraudulent acts, misleading acts.

Your analogy only supports what I have said regarding the name of Harry Potter.

Seemingly you don't know the difference between the real thing and something that represents the real thing. A "real representation"? That is the epitome of any oxymoron.

 

i know its shows a real person that’s my point



The actor is not a wizard or so i believe

 

Did I say that the actor is a wizard? No? Mighty big leap you have made if you think I made such a comment.

Now, if you "know it shows a real person", then what on earth are you clamoring about? Harry Potter is a real person even in the movie. Have you ever seen a movie that did not have a real person involved in the movie? (cartoons and computer animations excluded from my meaning of 'movie'.)

More interestingly, is your disclaimer "...or so I believe." That would infer that you do not KNOW for certain whether the actor is a 'wizard' or not.

 

That an actual wizard doesn’t exist because you have a story about one and a person pretending to be one

and that an actual god doesn’t exist because you have a story about one whether you believe the story is fiction or not


There is a difference between believing something is a story and that the story exists and believing something is real independents of the minds of others and would exist on its own eve if you or no one else knew about it

Do you want to say that atheist believe in made up gods because they believe gods are made up? And that mortals created the gods in there cosmology?

That might be a good definition for an atheist but then we have taken the contradiction out and you still have people who don’t believe in your kind of god ( forgive me please I assume you believe in at least one god I could be wrong please inform me if I am ) without contradiction.

So was there a point to all this beside fighting over the meaning of words? Because nether the atheist idea of a man made god or the the idea of god made man is advanced or harmed by that.

 

And animation definitely represents the work of a lot of people and in many works you do have people who provided the characters with their voice.

(Sorry just in to animation)

 

That text above, represents one of the most amazing pieces of inarticulate writings I have ever seen. Several different thoughts, all run together to form what appears to be one expression and containing only one punctuation which was the "?" at the end. What specifically are you asking in such an atrocious display of disregard for the rules of the English language?

What does that have to do with Harry Potter?

Again, what point are you trying so desperately to make?

Who is arguing over the meaning of words? I thought we were discussing Harry Potter. IMHO, you really do need to take a crash course on writing.

 

you seem to be saying atheist define themselves and atheism incorrectly rather than saying the idea that gods don’t exist outside of our minds somehow contradicts itself

 

No, that is what you have just stated.

 

what’s the difference between that and this


You think about God or gods or you hold an opinion about God or gods, then you believe in God or gods. There is the contradiction in 'atheism'.

 

Absolutely that is the contradiction in atheism. When the atheist thinks about or has an opinion about God or gods, then that atheist is in contradiction to the terms of atheism because that atheists is displaying a belief in God or gods.