Contradictions in atheism

More projection and avoidance

I have not declared a single absolute that isn't tangible and provable by any single person; nothing provided to kick, perhaps that is why you resort to personal attacks which I have also proven.

 

It is truly unfortunate, I am well versed where the bible is concerned; probably much more than your average Christian.
I know what Christians ascribe to regardless of the numerous flaws.... In general it is a very loving and thoughtful approach (beside the fact you're going to hell bit).....
I find many of the atheists on this forum to be better Christian examples than the Christians themselves.....

It's ironic that someone who's emotion is just a mechanical byproduct of evolution with no real depth, is actually able to express it in a much more proficient and mindful manner...... Laughable actually!

 

Since that thesis is obviously contradicted by reality, the obvious conclusion is you're just making stuff up.

So, that leads to the next question: _Why_ are you making stuff up? What exactly drives you to create these wild fables about atheists?

My theory: You are extremely insecure in your own beliefs, to the point of absolute panic. You think you can end that fear if you destroy the people who cast doubts on your beliefs, so you lash out at the atheists.

Um ... the newspaper? That's what I just read.

You're not making any sense. Whether or not someone criticizes Christianity has zero bearing on whether atheism -- the lack of belief in any gods -- is contradictory, and it's somewhat crazy to make such a connection.

Now you're rambling to such an extent, I can't figure out what you're saying. Your hysterical emotional state has destroyed your ability to reason.

 

Amazing.

Your thesis is that reality is what drives you, and even though you have no evidence to back it up, but think its evidence and reality that drives you anyway, you are all flustered that someone would accurately point out your failings in rebuttal?

Tell me atheist would you allow this to go unchallenged, especially when it was repeated.

"Atheists believe in dragons, totally, that is why they are dumb."

I am pretty sure you would correct such an egregious statement. And when the response was:

"Sorry moron, but its reality that drives that statement. Twit. Go educate yourself."

You'd probably think that such antics were highly arrogant when aimed at you.

However, when YOU do it to other people and they call you arrogant, now you are the victim of abuse?

You are a victim of nothing other than your own rationalizing and lack of standards and accountability. Yes, its arrogance and ignorance, a bad combination, that drives atheism.

 

Another perfect example of athtards in action.

Here we have yet another strong atheist condeming Christians as delusionary dolts - because its facts that drive them.

So where are these facts? This outlay of scientific reasoning and testing that drives not just eth conclusion that their is no God, but the absolute certainty that there is no God and so we should crap on people who believe in God because they are morons?

Well, having debated just this with atheist, all we ever get are excuses. The evidence for God is inconclusive. Science leads to agnosticism, not atheism. So ceratinty, at least in terms of science, requires a leap of faith. Yet atheists scream and cry when someone says atheists make the SAME leap of faith.

So, its not facts, not reality, and not faith that drives atheism's utter certainty?

Well, that pretty much just leaves arrogance. And when a person defines themselves by running around insulting other people as a way of life? Yep, that is pretty arrogant.

Rationalize all you want atheists, the facts point inexorably to arrogance as your master.

Its why so many theologians consider atheism to be nothing more than self worship. I nice way of saying its narcassism.

 

Again, show me one time where I have personally attacked you or anyone for that matter...... I think you are confusing me with yourself on that one....

Your personal attacks have derailed any sort of useful interaction here; I ascribe to the advancement of knowledge.....

Here is a very simple concept, if you believe someone is not correct in their belief or a lack of belief..... It should not be an affront to you, it should be a detriment of theirs..... So what's up with all the attacks and anger?
If someone is in a point of detriment, you should seek only to provide them with the tools in order to become full.
Your aggressive and angry nature is highly misdirected, offers absolutely nothing and speaks very loud and clear about what is lacking in you.
If you are here to offer the good word of Christ, then you are failing miserably in many different aspects in the way you conduct yourself in doing so.
You are single handedly, the worst example of a Christian I have ever come across; and I am appalled that other Christians on this forum allow you to represent them in such a poor fashion.
Here's an offering, some tools for you or tools for any one of your fellow Christians..... This is the problem, the static, the mess, the hate, the strife.... Remove it from yourself and be clear what your purpose on this forum is!

 

Matthew 5

1And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:

2And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

3Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

6Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

7Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

9Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

10Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

23Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

24Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

25Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

26Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

31It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

32But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

33Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

I find it very sad that I find myself..... a non-believer....championing for Christianity against the Christians on this forum.
Can I get a true champion to step forward to have a meaningful conversation with?

 

What's the use... You can lead a horse to water but....

Neutral is a lost case.

 

But you previously stated that you were going to be that true champion of Christianity. What happened to that silly notion? Did the champion (you) lose his footing?

 

Quoting an outside reference and not placing any self-made monologue to explain why you are posting that outside source is a violation of the TOS.

 

Yes, you are clearly championing Christianity by maligning it.

Atheists have some serious ego problems.

 

The only one here "maligning it. " is you anything-but-Neutral...

You don't even know what the message of Jesus was...

 

Yes, the ignorant have no standing with me ... which is why we get snide little acerbic comments like the one above.

Beat an atheist - and see the rambid emotionalism for yourself.

More 'logic' and 'reality' above. I wonder why insulting people dosen't lead them to agree with your non-factual statements?

Oh well, its a nice salve for the wounded ego's of the ignorant and their distate foractual accountability. Good luck holding down a job or any position of responsibility. Bosses love it when nothing is ever their subordinates fault.

Your (*)(*)(*)(*)ty arguementation and its failures lies on teh shoulders of no one but you.

 

Jesus spoke many messages. Which one in particular are you referencing?

 

Jesus used many citations, story and parables but there was only one message... Love.

 

Yada yada yada...

You failed at life just like you fail as a christian, you poor lost soul. Oh well, I guess life still need to make a few beta version before getting it right... Hell you're not even alpha version material...

You're really not playing with a full deck now don't you? I bet you only have a two...

 

Yes! It was His love of mankind that caused him to do all that he did. So I would say that 'love' was the causation, but not necessarily the only message.

 

Right the angry atheists who fear everything and have never read the Bible, lie about it serially, while demonstrating thin skinned angst, and now attempt Bible abuse in sheer and utter ignorance ...

Atheists have this Christianity stuff figured out - by osmosis apparently.

Seriously, are you like 12 or something?

Atheists. And not one intervene when they repeatedly behave like this?

But no way its arrogance or emotion that causes one ******** atheist after another to very scientifically blow their stack? Nice.

Thanks for proving the case again - atheists are emotional basket cases.

 

Perhaps you should understand that atheists don't have a book or organized set of beliefs simply because they don't believe. Occasionally I will come across a paragraph or column that may eloquently state my feeling toward religion but it would contain no dogma. Your beliefs do not concern us, only your insistence in preaching. Why you would care about our lack of faith makes me believe that you are a doubting Thomas hiding in the closet, perhaps possessing just enough IQ to occasionally see the impossibility of your faith, but not enough IQ to overcome the peer pressure and the crutch of religion you carry.

 

"Live a good life. If there are Gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are Gods, but not just, then you should not worship them. If there are no Gods, then you are gone, but will have led a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."

-Marcus Aurelius

 

I haven't attacked Christians, but you've done nothing except sling vile slurs at atheists. Not very Christian of you.

No, I was condemning _you_, not Christians. And I didn't condemn your Christian beliefs. I condemned your vile hysterical bigoted attitude towards atheists.

I've already pointed out that the standard Christian version of god is impossible due to its self-contradictions. For example, there's the contradiction between omniscience and free will, or the problem of evil.

I've also pointed out that, as far as other gods go, the Santa Claus standard applies. It's logical to refuse to believe in Santa unless positive evidence is presented, and it's logical to refuse to believe in gods unless positive evidence is presented.

No one has said that about believers. We're criticizing _you_ for your stupid, hateful dishonest rants.

So you agree that that one must believe in Santa, because he can't be disproven?

Of course not. You demand a standard of disproof with gods that that you don't demand for anything else. That's a raging double standard on your part, making your argument totally invalid.

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Again, let's get back to the issue you've been working so hard to run away from. If it got you this unhinged, then clearly I scored a bullseye.

Why are you so emotionally invested in hating atheists? Is it because you're so insecure in your beliefs?

And do you think Jesus would approve of your tantrums?

 

You are being pedantic again
Keep in mind that english isn't my first language, so I can't be as "nuanced" as you when I'm replying.

But to quote one of the father of modern advertising, a Canadian by the way: "The medium IS the message"...

 

And yet, atheists invariably say the same thing over and over and over, including telling us that they have no doctrine and its just the belief in no God.

Yet hen they turn around and denounce religion as delusional and claim ... they very thing you are claiming they are not claiming.

Its nothing more than circular logic. Atheism is the result of logic and evidence (which should have some kind of explainable, testable process - a doctrinal basis in you will), and yet when asked for it we get the standard excuse that atheism has no doctrine you see - just a belief in no God - which of course requires no proof because most atheists magically become agnostic atheists - you see?

Yes, we see that atheists are very, and needlessly derisive, and when confronted, we see they shift their standards of judgement on a dime.

 

You don't seem to have any idea of what "circular logic" means.

An explainable, testable process is not a "doctrinal basis". And if you could support your wild claims, you wouldn't need to be inventing this new politically correct version of English.

Not an excuse. It's a statement of fact. The fact that the facts anger you doesn't make them less valid.

No. That last sentence of yours was gibberish, and I have no idea what is means, or where you got such a strange idea.

If you're not lying about atheists, you'll be able to quote these shifting standards, instead of just claiming they exist without offering any supporting evidence. The atheists here have been consistent, while you've been flipflopping all over, grasping at any straw that helps you justify your deranged bigotry towards atheists.

Do you understand how awful you look to everyone here? No one is coming to help you out, because believers consider you to be an embarrassment. They wish you'd go away, but they're too polite to say so.