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Well....Quantum Evolution and it's off shoot....Biological Evolution are more of a REALITY OF UNIVERSAL PHYSICAL LAWS.....than a THEORY in need of evidence.

I commend you for you reply back to that person and you wrote.....There is plenty of evidence that at one time life did not exist on earth - in fact, at one time earth didn't exist! And, I know that today, life exists on earth. Somewhere between then and now, life came to earth. We do not have a scientific theory on how that happened. There are ideas. There are religions. But, there is no scientific theory - a scientific theory being an answer to the question "how" that conforms to the requirements of a hypothesis and is an answer in which we have developed confidence through testing.....end Quote WillReadmore.

I was the first person to coin the concept of QUANTUM EVOLUTION and I had it published under a Ghost Writer who is a person who holds degrees in Particle Physics like me as well holds a degree in Chemistry.....not like me as I don't hold a degree in Chemistry but I am beyond well versed as one has to be to be knowledgable about Particle Physics and Quantum Evolution.

The first two men who won the Nobel Prize in VIROLOGY....won their Nobel in the CHEMISTRY CATEGORY AS CONTRARY TO WHAT MOST PEOPLE THINK.........A VIRUS IN NOT ALIVE!!

Viruses existed on Planet Earth well before Life existed and this shows us just how CLOSE THE NON-LIVING IS TO THE LIVING!!!

A Virus just like Cellular or Single Celled Life HAS DNA!!!

In fact it was a Ancient Viral DNA Encoding that successfully PROVED WITH 100% CERTAINTY that all existing life on Earth EVOLVED FROM A SINGLE CELLED ORGANISM!!

How?

Well this is all part of QUANTUM EVOLUTION as it is a PROVEN WITH 100% CERTAINTY that Quantum Particle/Wave Forms from the moment Quanta were ejected from the WHITE HOLE which was the point of the BIG BANG and all WHITE HOLES are connected to a BLACK HOLE as a BLACK HOLE obtains such a giant mass that the GRAVITATIONAL EFFECT generated by the HIGGS-FIELD as all Atoms have as a part of their Protons and Neutrons that make the Atomic Nucleus surrounded by Electron Orbital Fields.....that our UNIVERSAL SPACE-TIME CANNOT SUPPORT THE GENERATED GRAVITY WELL CREATED BY THE BLACK HOLE......and this RIPS A HOLE THROUGH SPACE-TIME in another Divergent Universal Relity and that Balck Hole then is connected to a WHITE HOLE which is the point of the BIG BANG where all Quantum Particle/Wave Forms ejected from and began to create our Universal Space-Time Dimesionality.

After that....other aspects of DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL STATE OF REALITY BLEED OVER become apparent like Dark Matter and Dark Energy as our Universe is comprised of over 96% of our UNIVERSE.

Thus certain UNIVERSAL PHYSICAL LAWS came into being usually governed by our SPACE-TIME DIMENSIONALITY which we KNOW exists at a very MINIMUM of 10-D or 11-D but could very well be and probably is 26-D.

LIFE.....is one of the REALITIES AND UNIVERSAL LAWS of our Space-Time Dimensionality....JUST AS A VIRUS IS AS WELL.

When we finally mapped the entire Human Genome we compared this to the Genomes of 1000's and 1000's of other Species of Life on Earth AND WE FOUND THE SMOKING GUN!!!

There are Millions of Viral DNA Encodings in the Genomes of the Hundreds of thousands or more of Species Genomes.....as when a Virus infects a LIVING CELL...it reprograms that cell to make more Viruses and the Living Cell mistakes the Virus to be Food or Oxygen and allows the Virus to enter the Cells Membrane Wall.

Thing is after comparing all these different Viral DNA Encodings.....ALL SPECIES OF LIFE HAD ONE ANCIENT ONE IN THE SAME AS EVERY OTHER LIFE FORM ANCIENT VIRAL DNA ENCODING!!!

What happened was the GROUP OF ORIGINAL LIVING CELLS were infected by a Virus.

As a Living Cell was close to reproducing and spliting Via Mitosis to make a copy of itself.....the cell still whole and one cell was INFECTED BY A VIRUS!!

The Virus atomatically REPROGRAMS THE DNA AND GENOME OF THE LIVING CELL TO USE THE CELLS OWN RAW MATERIAL TO MAKE MORE VISUSES INSIDE THE INFECTED CELL.

SO MANY VISUSES ARE MADE THAT THE LIVING CELL EXPLODES FROM THE PRESSURE OF ALL THOSE VIRUSES AND THIS PROPELLS VIRUSES IN ALL DIRECTIONS HELPING TO SPREAD THE VIRUS.

But a few Living Cells that had just become infected were ready to split via Mitosis and as they split one of the Living Cells soon died as it exploded being reprogrammed by the Virus but a LIVING CELL ONCE IT'S HAS THE VIRAL DNA ENCODING WITHIN IT CAN RECOGNIZE THE VIRAL CELL AND SURVIVE CONTACT very much like the same was a person who has been infected and has had many COLDS survives and get's over the cold quickly unless it is a Mutated Strain.......but a Person who has never had a COLD nd has no Rhino Virus DNA ENCODING within their genome...WILL LIKELY DIE FOR A COLD.

Anyways.....once we didcovered that all LIFE ON EARTH HAD ONE IN THE SAME IDENTICAL ANCIENT VIRAL DNA ENCODING.....this gave us 100% PROOF POSITIVE that all life on Earth EVOLVED from a SINGLE CELLED ORGANISM.....and this is like MATHEMATICS uPON A biochemical/GENETIC MOLECULAR/ATOMIC LEVEL!!!

It is very much the same as someone saying....7 + 3 = 10

PROOF?

10 - 3 = 7.

10 - 7 = 3.

It is basically the same excet we are dealing with the number and positio of specific ATOMS and the types of ELEMENTS uon the DNA CONSTRUCT.

AboveAlpha

 

1) You don't have many options here. Either you believe God created life or you believe life spawned from non-life. You also have the option of panspermia, but then you're faced with figuring out how the aliens got here. I mean, all the other options outside of God sound scientifically ridiculous. So, which is it? You can't have evolution without a beginning. You can't say we all have a common ancestor, but then turn around and say you don't know how that ancestor got here.

2) It's not any more specific than saying you don't know.

3) I did. You just chose to ignore it.

3.5) Evolution is a religion. It is not science. Science is observable, repeatable and testable. You cannot observe, repeat and test abiogenesis, macroevolutionary processes, mutations that increase information instead of losing information, and etc. You have to have faith in all of those things. That's a religion.

Because they lack the enzyme. However, the ability to digest milk is encoded into our DNA. Those are facts.

 

USING CAPS doesn't suddenly make your opinions true.

1) No scientist has ever witnessed abiogenesis. Ever.

2) Adaptation isn't macroevolution. It also doesn't show new information being created in a DNA strain.

3) Yes. The overwhelming majority of minorities cannot drink milk. This is a scientific fact, and you're lying when you say minorities aren't lactose intolerant. You understand that? Lying.

4) ROFLMAO. BUAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!! If you think the coccyx is a tail, then you've got some learning to do, my friend. Egg yolk? ROFLMAO! BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

** re-reads what you said **

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! ROFLMAO!!!

5) Tell this to your agnostic friends.

 

You are trying to come to a conclusion without evidence. In fact, you are struggling to eliminate evidence. As issue number one, you want a conclusion based purely on belief.

That is a purely religious approach that science can not see as valid. I want evidence. I want testable hypotheses such as we have with evolution (which has been tested for over 200 years) I want conclusions to follow, not precede those steps.

You are free to say God did it. But that means nothing, as a scientific answer as there is no evidence behind your belief.

You exclude God from "sounds scientifically ridiculous"?? You tout an undetectable all powerful being present throughout our universe simultaneously present in all times from inception of our universe to its destruction and who provides eternal life for some part of each human where that part has never been detected. Whether He exists or not, God is the very definition of scientifically ridiculous.

And, you consider ME scientifically ridiculous for leaving the question of abiogenisis open to further study?

This is just one more example of " God did it" killing science. You have your answer. So, you demand an end to exploration.

 

Milk allergy and lactose intolerance are 2 different things. Milk allergy affects the immune system. Lactose intolerance the digestive system.

Drinking unpasteurised milk presents no problem for lactose intolerant people - who make up about 70% of the population. Pasteurised milk does. Milk from organic farms is better.

 

No one mentioned milk allergies.

 

1) Incorrect

2) Testable hypothesis of what?

3) Here we go with the "God of the gaps" logical fallacy. Atheists and agnostics do it all the time. However, instead of saying "God did it" they simply say "I don't know", which is essentially the same thing. This never hindered Christian science in the slightest, but it certainy hinders atheists since they're pressured to come up with an answer; any answer. So, they'll say almost anything to satisfy that answer, and it holds science back because they're consistently wrong.
Source: http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/20...-the-god-of-the-gaps-teaches-us-about-science

4) From a materialist's stand point, nothing outside of the material realm exists. Of course, as a materialist, you'll also have to rely on non-material things to come to such a conclusion such as logic and numbers.

I honestly don't know what you're talking about any more. I've realized that most sane atheists who are atheists due to real philosophical reasons are open to facts. You haven't provided any sources to believe what you believe. You're just yapping. So, I know nothing you believe is based on logic, but rather emotion. You'll probably reply yapping at me again, and it'll make no sense - kinda like now.

So, continue to hate God for emotional reasons.

 

Oh, please. Saying "I don't know" is something theists say, too. Atheism isn't an absolute requirement of humility. Your claim that humility is strictly atheist is a sad excuse for your own belief that you have the answers even though you have no evidence.

And, you post MY proof again with your mention of Newton, who provided not even one solution to any problem he recognized with his statements concerning god. "God did it" is the end, not the beginning, when it comes to exploration.

4. is unbelievable nonsense. Who the heck knows what you mean when you suggest I'm a "materialist". And, what could POSSIBLY make you think I don't believe in God, that math is somehow foreign to me, or any of the other nonsense that you think comes from your silly pronouncements about me?

You have provided ZERO evidence that relates to any position YOU have stated involving god. Your argument for god is simply a statement that "god did it", defended only by attempts to deny ALL evidence. That's pathetic.

 

Not the same at all. Why would an agnostic or atheist ever say 'god did it'. You're simply twisting things for your benefit.

. You brought it up by distinguishing between drinking milk and lactose intolerance.

Untrue. Chinese, African and Asians have a very high rate of milk intolerance.

And you believe on a non-existent, unproveable being. You're hilarious.

 

My entire argument has been about minorities being lactose intolerant. I've never said anything about allergies. I never hinted toward allergies. I never even used the word. My sources define the clear differences between allergies and intolerance so people like you are not confused. Nothing even close to allergens, either by me or my opponent, were ever mentioned; not one single time. Period. How can you make such an overwhelming blunder? Oh, unless, of course, you're trying to distort my argument so you can set up a strawman.

Have that seat.

No they do not.

According to my source, "The estimated prevalence of lactose maldigestion (or lactasenon-persistence) varies among different ethnic and racial groups in the U.S. Previous estimates have indicated that among Asian Americans, African Americans, Native American Indians, and Hispanics, an estimated 50% to 100% are reported to be lactose maldigesters, compared to 15% of Caucasians. In all, it is estimated that about 25% of the U.S. population and 75% of the world’s population have low lactase levels or are lactose maldigesters"

Please educate yourself
Source: http://www.nationaldairycouncil.org/SiteCollectionDocuments/LI and Minorites_FINALIZED.pdf

 

No idea what you're talking about...

Anyway. Do you believe non-material entities can exist?

 

Now that I'm reading that again, you're right. Minorities do have a very high rate of lactose intolerance. I'm glad we see eye to eye on this.

 

Say ...... what happened to the bad pastors?

 

I'll have to tell you, I find it hard to picture Asians as a minority.

Normally, we think of minorities as not having the majority of the population, and Asia is 60%.

 

I thought that was pretty funny, too. Living in the east as I do, it's even funnier.

 

1) So, what makes lactose tolerance disadvantageous?

2) Abiogenesis has potential, huh? Yet, scientists haven't been able to do it for decades. Scientists can't even create a single protein. Potential doesn't equate to definite fact, I'm afraid.

3) So, me posting the "If you think the coccyx is a tail" has made me a fool because you say fetuses have egg yolk sacks and tails? No source whatsoever - Not even atheist blogs would admit to this lie. This lie had been debunked back in the 70s. It's false.
Source: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c024.html
Source: https://answersingenesis.org/evidence-for-creation/embryonic-development/

4) I'm interested in truth. I'm tired of being lied to. You can't provide people facts by giving them half truths. You're arguing with me now because you have a lot of pride. You just want to feel like you're right, but you being right doesn't help anyone. Being correct about science produced scientific advances that help humanity. When you lie to humanity, you hold them back.

 

I'm speaking from populations inside the U.S. If we're to include the world, then Asians and Blacks make up the majority.
Source: http://www.ecology.com/world-population-continent/

 

OK....you wanted the data...you got it.

Embryonic disc[edit]The embryoblast forms an embryonic disc which is a bilaminar disc of two layers, an upper layer the epiblast (primitive ectoderm), and a lower layer the hypoblast (primitive endoderm). The disc is stretched between what will become the amniotic cavity and the yolk sac. The epiblast is adjacent to the trophoblast and made of columnar cells; the hypoblast is closest to the blastocyst cavity, and made of cuboidal cells. The epiblast migrates away from the trophoblast downwards, forming the amniotic cavity, the lining of which is formed from amnioblasts developed from the epiblast. The hypoblast is pushed down and forms the......YOLK SAC........ (exocoelomic cavity) lining. Some hypoblast cells migrate along the inner cytotrophoblast lining of the blastocoel, secreting an extracellular matrix along the way. These hypoblast cells and extracellular matrix are called Heuser's membrane (or exocoelomic membrane), and they cover the blastocoel to form the ......YOLK SAC........(or exocoelomic cavity). Cells of the epiblast migrate along the outer edges of this reticulum and form the extraembryonic mesoderm, which makes it difficult to maintain the extraembryonic reticulum. Soon pockets form in the reticulum, which ultimately coalesce to form the chorionic cavity or extraembryonic coelom.

LINK.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_embryogenesis

LINK....PICTURE OF HUMAN YOLK SAC......https://images.search.yahoo.com/ima...-avg-fh_lsonsw&hsimp=yhs-fh_lsonsw&hspart=avg


More embarassment to come for you.

AboveAlpha

 

LINK....http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IGDXDLLZnFA/T2uo2uT4uUI/AAAAAAAAABo/rFUpHS6lw_U/s1600/tail07.jpg

Human Tails.

AboveAlpha

 

Normally, a tail is present on the developing human fetus, but usually regresses by the 8th week of development. The true human tail upon birth is caused by a lack of cell destruction of the distal end of the embryonic tail (1). These "true humans tails" are composed of adipose tissue, connective tissue, muscle tissue, various nerves, and blood vessels (like any other true tail) and ranging in size from one to more than 5 inches long. There does exist a spectrum of structure with these "true human tails." While the majority of "true human tails" have neither catilage or developed vertebrae, there have been cases of newborns possessing a "true human tail" with 5 developed vertebrae (1 & 2).

LINK....http://evolutionbioc334.blogspot.com/2012/03/vestigial-human-tail.html

AboveAlpha

 

1) The human yolk sac isn't the same as an egg yolk sac. They are completely different. The human yolk sac turns into the placenta as the fetus grows. You should know this.
Source: http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregna...4-5-6-7-8.aspx?tabname=Labour and birth#close

2) The human tail picture is photoshoped. You can tell, because the tail has no shadow on her pants or on her feet. Not only that, but it shows groves where her spinal column is supposed to be on the tail. The spinal column connects to the coccyx which is much lower than where that photoshoped tail begins.

This is getting embarrassing. You should really understand this better than you do.

 

The level of be uninformed of the realities of Human Fetal Development you obtain is stunning.

The Yolk Sac is a reminant of when our very ancient Evolutionary Ancestors laid egss.

This LINK.....LINK.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_embryogenesis

Details that same connection with Human Tails....you just did not bother to read it.

AboveAlpha

 

I'm quite aware of the differences having friends who suffer.

70% of the worlds population is hardly a minority.

However I admit your posting regarding US minorities is similar to that in this country.

Rates of lactose intolerance can differ significantly between different ethnic groups. For example, it is thought that only one in 50 people of northern European descent have some degree of lactose intolerance, whereas most people of Chinese descent have the condition.

This may be because people from places where there has historically been no ready access to milk, such as Africa or east Asia, may not have evolved the ability to digest lactose as there was no significant benefit in being able to do so.

In the UK, lactose intolerance is more common in people of Asian or African-Caribbean descent.

 

And do you see the issue that you're getting in trouble with? You're saying that people of eastern european decent have "evolved" more than anyone else in the world. This mentality is what started the first two world wars.

** slaps forehead **

Alright, I'm done with you. Believe whatever you want.