Convicted Felon Passed FBI Background Check To Buy Gun Used To Shoot 3 Cops

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  1. rover77

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    ' Authorities are investigating how a convicted felon who Tulsa police called “one of Tulsa’s most dangerous criminals” managed to walk into a gun store, pass a background check, and legally purchase the weapon he would use to shoot three Kansas City police officers the next day'

    maybe he didn't know it was illegal?


    Source: https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesma...lsa-police-called-one-A3k44TKvSEu4edJmiF3yiA/
     
  2. Galileo

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    In states where a permit from the local police is required to buy a gun this would be less likely to happen. The local police are likely to be aware of things not in the FBI's database. For example, the Parkland shooter had been in trouble with the local police plenty of times. However, due to the lax gun laws supported by gun apologists he was easily able to get approved purchase a firearm.
     
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    If the police has done their job and reported him to NICS, could he have purchased that gun?
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    The state permitting process for the state of New York did not do any good in preventing such incidents from occurring.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/25/...ged-in-widening-corruption-investigation.html

    Three retired police officers and a former Brooklyn prosecutor were charged on Tuesday in a widening federal corruption investigation into the New York Police Department and its gun-licensing division.

    The charges revolve around a scheme in which so-called gun-licensing expediters bribed police officers in exchange for approval of hard-to-obtain gun permits, according to two criminal complaints unsealed on Tuesday in Federal District Court in Manhattan.

    The complaints show that a former New York police sergeant, David Villanueva, and Frank Soohoo, a gun-license expediter who dealt frequently with the department’s license division, have pleaded guilty to bribery and other charges and are cooperating with the authorities.

    Prosecutors have already said another former officer, Richard Ochetal, who worked in the licensing division for about five years, pleaded guilty and was also assisting investigators.

    “The information they have provided, along with the other evidence we have gathered, paint a devastating picture of pervasive corruption at the licensing division,” Joon H. Kim, the acting United States attorney in Manhattan, said at a news conference on Tuesday.

    Mr. Kim said the corruption had “spawned a cottage industry of bribers, masquerading as so-called expediters.”

    In return for issuing gun licenses without conducting the necessary background checks or following up on “major red flags,” Mr. Kim said, the officers “were taking bribes from expediters in just about every form — good old-fashioned cash, stuffed in envelopes, sometimes hidden in magazines; expensive liquor; luxury watches; free vacations; and even free guns.”

    Mr. Kim added, “Over 100 gun licenses were issued in this problematic way, including one person who had 10 moving violations and had been the subject of at least four domestic violence complaints, including one in which he allegedly threatened to kill someone.”


    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/nyregion/brooklyn-ny-bribes-nypd-officers-gun-permits.html

    A member of a neighborhood watch group in Brooklyn who obtained dozens of handgun permits by bribing officers in the New York Police Department’s gun-licensing division also handed out cash and gifts to other officers assigned across Brooklyn, prosecutors said Thursday.

    That disclosure, made in Federal District Court in Manhattan, suggests that rather than winding down, a major federal investigation into corruption within the police department is still turning up new evidence of misconduct.

    The revelation that additional officers had accepted cash and gifts came during the sentencing of Alex Lichtenstein, a member of the shomrim, a neighborhood patrol operating in ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities in Brooklyn.

    On Thursday, a judge sentenced Mr. Lichtenstein, known as Shaya, to 32 months in prison and told him that he had betrayed the “public trust by bribing and corrupting New York City police officers.”

    As Mr. Lichtenstein prepared to report to prison, federal prosecutors hinted that their case against him had yielded new evidence “of money he was spreading to other police officers, throughout Brooklyn.”

    The other officers were not named, but prosecutors said that the list included “high-ranking officers,” and that the United States attorney’s office in Manhattan had evidence of individual payments.


    https://nypost.com/2018/04/17/ex-cop-nypd-gun-license-division-was-a-bribery-machine/

    They might as well have a had a hotline: 1-800-GIFTS4GUNS.


    A former city cop spilled his guts Tuesday, telling Manhattan jurors about years worth of bribes he and his fellow officers received for doling out gun permits — everything from cash, prostitutes and expensive watches to baseball memorabilia and exotic vacations.


    David Villanueva, an ex-supervisor in the NYPD’s License Division, said he and other cops — including officers Richard Ochetel and Robert Espinel and Lt. Paul Dean — were on the take for years from so-called gun expeditors.


    In exchange, the officers doled out pistol permits like candy — even to people who should not have had them, Villanueva said.


    One expeditor, he said, may have had ties to organized crime. Another got help with 100 gun permits over the years — “none” of which should have been approved.
     
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    you're a credit to the movement
     
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    Failure of the relevant state/federal entities to report the conviction(s) to the FBI.
     
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    Ayuh,..... Classic progressive response,....

    A Failed government action demands more government regulations, against legal Citizens,..??..??......
     
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    Capitalism Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah no thanks. Piss on the local police, that’s where most of our country’s corruption is.
     
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    Problem: Government doesn't enforce existing law.

    Solution: Make more laws?
     
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    you have to understand how things work

    law abiding people generally obey even stupid laws-passing more laws=less freedom for honest people

    criminals don't obey laws, you only impede on their freedoms by being incarcerated after conviction

    leftwing GCAs want to impede our rights-so they want to pass MORE Laws rather than enforce substantive laws against criminals
     
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    Just another example of how background checks really don't stop criminals. They just slow down and inconvenience law-abiding folks.
     
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    No system is perfect. Your plan of people having to get a purchase permit will fail (just like purchase permits failed in the past) and you will demand more gun control. And that will fail, and you will demand more. And so on. And when all guns are banned, and someone uses a knife or club or pipe, you will want to ban those. Grow up.
     
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    But the police didn't do their job, yet they're honest people aren't they?
     
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    not really my point but CCW holders are more law abiding than cops. A point the people who think only cops and thugs should be able to have guns miss constantly
     

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