COP: ‘I’m Going to Grab Your Baby, and Don’t Resist’

Sometimes when people claim they read between the lines often read much more than there is. And, there is always two sides to a story. I too, find it incredible that the police would have done that, but would believe it if there was more information on it to back it up. The video he posted is just more of the blah, blah from the parents and it is lacking.

And there is no need to make this personal. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I just am not prone to take something like this and accept it without getting more information. You should do the same, because it if turns out that the parents were negligent that the state did the right thing you're going to have to scurry around and try to defend your position.

I'm not so sure that it is becoming more frequent. Just recently the state took action because the parents were going to rely on "prayer" to heal their child. Would you be one to side with the parents on that one? A baby of 8 months cannot make a choice, has to rely on the parents to make the right choice, and not providing the proper medical attention is negligent.

 

That's fair, but since CPS nor the cops are releasing any, that's a bit difficult. But, seeing as how the judge ruled the parents are now allowed full access to the little guy and are in charge of his medical choices again, I thinks it fair to say CPS "acted stupidly".

 

of course the state disagree's, they after all want more control of our lives.. the state usually does disagree with reason. and you should say "most americans" who believe in the nanny state disagree that your kids are yours. that would make more sense since the liberal welfare horde's are the ones who want the state to take care of all their babies.

and no matter what you say, my kids are mine and its as simple as that. no they arent pets, they arent property but none the less they are still MY children. you dont own them and the state sure as hell doesnt own them. I take care of them, feed them and work my ass off for them, you nor the sorry ass government does nothing for them so in no way can they lay claim to my kids. MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE, not Obama's.

im not talking about all welfare mothers, but i like your play in words. And yes once again my kids are mine, i know you hate someone who takes responsibility for the children they create but i am one of those responsible people and not a hood rat making babies for more government hand outs. And again if anybody should be looked at to have their kids taken away its those who have 5+ but yet cant even take care of themselves.

its funny in its own hypocrisy, but tell me where this one was necessary please.

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true, but show me where this child was abused please. meanwhile, children living on skid row are still living on skid row.

 

It may the hospital's fault - Sutter. They may have reported the case to CPS and indicated that the child's condition was such that it was endangering him for the parents to take him away. CPS has to respond to these types of situations quickly, or they will end up being the ones holding the bag if the child had died and they had done nothing. I don't blame CPS, they probably did what they thought they needed to do.

I bet if CPS had done nothing and the child had suddenly died, everyone would be whining about why CPS didn't do anything.

When someone makes a report about the safety of your child, the police or a social worker must investigate. They have to decide if the court should get involved so your child will be safe and protected.
http://www.courts.ca.gov/selfhelp-childabuse.htm

 

No, the parents ARE NOT "in charge" of his medical care, and you KNOW this! While they have access, they MUST obey ALL medical instructions from the current facility. The parents are NOT being trusted with the baby's care.

It is QUITE evident that CPS acted quite appropriately.

The child remains under the supervision of the court.

Do you think we have forgotten your subterfuge in skipping salient parts of your articles already?

From YOUR article!

 

I would do jail to keep my kid safe.
And anyone that wouldnt is no kind of parent.
Try that with the wrong people, bad things can and will start happening.
Its already started, just had a couple run to Cuba with the kids that the G thought they knew better about.
The government needs to start getting out of people lives. Fix the economy, not micro manage citizens daily lives.

 

or it could simply indicate that the parents have agreed to whatever stipulations a judge put before them. I know some want to believe the government is actively looking to take kids from their parents, but that isn't true at all. I'm sure that cooler heads prevailed and both sides made arrangements that satisfied the other and that's why the state stepped aside.

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I doubt that.

 

But we don't really know if the parents were keeping the kid "safe" in this instance. Would you deny your kids medical care just because you thought they didn't need it?

Determining what it is that you are doing to keep them safe is the question. You may think you are keeping them safe, when you are actually endangering them.

Yes, there are always nuts that will resort to violence when they think they are right, even when they are wrong.

Oh wow, run to Cuba - now that's a better life.

They can start by stopping their damn vaginal ultra sounds on women and other stupid laws they are introducing that forces the government to go into people's bedrooms.

 

Look it up it happend just about 2 weeks ago.

 

...as long as you take care of them as the state requires...

No one owns them.

It isn't my government.

On the contrary, those are the only people that the state delegates responsibility to for raising children. So long as they are responsible, there is no reason to move the children.

 

Josh and Sharyl Hakken, look them up.

 

LOL I did , and it turns out that custody was awarded to the grandparents when they were arrested on MULTIPLE drug charges.. Then they really went on a bender and kidnapped their ex children from the custodial grandparents and ran to Cuba.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/11/joshua-sharyn-hakken-court_n_3059859.html

LULZ that isn't even remotely close to what you tried to portray.

 

Well that is the cops side of it anyway.
See what I mean.
I know way worse parents that dont have thier kids taken.

 

The cops side of it ? LOL

They were arrested in possession of drugs man. Now whether you agree with the law or not, the fact is it IS the law.

Then , when they didn't like the outcome of losing their kids they kidnapped them and ran to of all places, Cuba.

LULZ and they are the spokespeople you choose? HHAHAHAHA

 

Wait. When the parents where at the second hospital the cops showed up, talked to the parents. Apparently they didn't feel the child was in danger because they just left after reading that doctor had said it was OK for the parents to take their child home. It wasn't until the next day CPS showed up. Only by government standards would you call that acting quickly.
You can make excuse all day long for CPS's actions in this affair, but none of them will hold water. They put a family through hell. They screwed up. The worst part, it's likely they'll never admit their error or be held accountable. It's just another day on the government payroll.

 

Point being, and obviously over your head, people are starting to feel no fear in pushing back.
And thats right, all we know is the cops side of it.
Just because you formed an opinion about them, dont mean they were in the wrong. You were not there, and you dont know them.
But they fought tooth and nail to try to get thier kids back, I respect that.
May have been an ill concived plan, but they did what they felt they needed for THIER kids.

 

We get it. Marxists like you side over a totalitarian government vs. a doctor and the parents.

There are countries for people like you. They are called: Cuba, China, and North Korea... you would have really enjoyed the old U.S.S.R. as well.

 

It depends on when the first hospital reported it.

They don't always act like they should, I'm not defending CPS, I'm just saying that in this case it looks like they did what they thought was best for the child.

Even families that are abusing their children will "go through hell" when the law steps in, so you think that CPS should consider the parent's feelings ahead of the child's?

You sure hate the government, but I bet you're one of the first ones to whine "where's the government" when something happens to you and you need their help.

 

Actually NO Mertex... he is not like you and he does not depend on the Government to wipe his ass. You Marxists want full government control of virtually every facet of our lives because you are too scared and pathetic to be self reliant.

 

How do you know, you live with him? Hmmmm?

And you fascists want total control of the government even getting into a woman's womb, with your archaic and draconian policies and anal retentive ideology.

 

Lol are you seriously trying to spin that drug posession, drug production, distribution of drugs, kidnapping, and a variety of other charges isnt being in the wrong?
Hahahahaha

Actually its pathetic that you believe that.

 

Wrong again. I am Pro-Choice, but that does not mean I support your brand of Marxism. Totalitarianism is disgusting as the dumbasses who blindly support it because they are too stupid to know where it leads.

 

If they have proven that they can't handle the responsibility connected to firearm ownership by committing a crime with a firearm, I think their right to own one should be limited.

If a person is prone to violence but they have served their time, then you can't hold them any longer, and I think we can both agree you can't punish someone because they may commit a crime.

What are the legal ramifications from defending yourself from a police officer that is committing a violent crime against you?

I don't think anyone can reasonably deny that there are some bad people that are police officers. Since that is a fact of life, laws that won't let you defend yourself from a police officer seem insane.

That's what all laws are for, aren't they... Can you think of any law that doesn't have that purpose?

 

It seems to me that you are contradicting yourself here. If you limit someone's right, then you a) punishing that person and b) doing so because they may commit a crime. While I think it's the job of government to intervene where there is clear force or fraud, deciding whether a person is responsible or not is the role of a parent. Why is it legitimate for the government to do decide who is or is not responsible enough to possess a firearm?

Do you think that prosecuting for resisting arrest is right or wrong? A person who resist faces prosecution for that, and very likely for prosecution of "assault on an officer" which could be for simply attempting to bat away an oncoming fist.

Right. Getting back to gun control. It's my hyperbolic assertion that gun control exists to protect government from gun-wielding private citizens. I realize that many people have intentions for gun control which are around what they believe to be safety. However, politicians are more interested in disarming the populace, and use those good intentions, as well as any recent disaster or alarmist rhetoric to do so.

 

Aww cute, when faced with having to step in when parents neglect their child to assume the role of guardian the parents were meant to be playing it strangely isn't the same as being property of the state.

You see, despite desperately trying to portray children as the property of the parents, the state is held to the same standards of guardianship that a parent is.

The state is also not allowed to neglect, harm, rape, beat, take nude photographs of, shower with, punch in the face, not feed, not shelter, not clothe or remove the child from a cardiac ICU without medical or legal permission either.

Your child is NOT your property. Complaining about "hurr the state must own them then" STILL doesn't make your child your property. You are their guardian, not their slave master or their owner.

Taking a child from a cardiac ICU on a whim directly puts a childs life in danger. That is neglect. Complaining about the state protecting a child isn't magically going to put the blame on anyone but the parents until you provide evidence for what has been repeatedly asked of you.