Corona Virus Update

I’m sorry for your loss.
I remain more concerned about the things that regularly kill far more people.
I don’t know a single person who has died of starvation or a single person who has died of malaria or a single person who had died of any other communicable disease. But these kill far more people.
I do know many people who have died from cancer and arterial disease. And one of those two is what is likely to kill most of us. Not this virus.

 

So because there are other causes of death you can ignore the Corona Virus? Perhaps we should also ignore murder, terrorism, etc. The difference is that since 1900, the biggest cause of death was not starvation or cancer or arterial disease within any 4 year period but was from a virus very similar to today's headline virus

 

So, if 140,000 people in 4 months isn't a significant number, what in your opinion is?

 

I’m saying that devoting the massive amount of resources to one cause of death that kills 7 in 100,000 makes no sense. Millions of jobs have been lost and day laborers in the third world were more impacted by their inability to work due to shutdowns than by the virus. Investments have been hit hard and UN food agencies are reporting that there are seven regions of the world that are at risk of “famines of biblical proportions” due not to the virus but to the reaction to it.
Here is a list of causes of death that are not receiving anywhere near the attention that c-19 has gotten. I don’t understand why these deaths are seen as being not nearly so tragic:

573, 180
Covid deaths this year:


6,914,867
Communicable disease deaths this year

895,442
Deaths caused by HIV/AIDS this year


4,374,741
Deaths caused by cancer this year

522,484
Deaths caused by malaria this year

2,662,823
Deaths caused by smoking this year

1,332,253
Deaths caused by alcohol this year


522,486
Deaths caused by malaria this year


571,207
Suicides this year


719,050
Road traffic accident fatalities this year

448,567
Deaths caused by water related diseases this year


799,581,748
People with no access to a safe drinking water source

And course the largest cause of death are CVD’s especially in the West.

 

The World Health Organization (WHO) warned Monday that the coronavirus pandemic is raging out of control in North and South America, and that the virus will continue spreading unimpeded unless governments and individuals take the steps needed to suppress its transmission. More than 12.5 million people worldwide have tested positive for COVID-19, and about half of those cases -- 6.5 million -- have been in the Americas. On Saturday, almost 143,000 of the world's 230,000 new cases were in North and South America. "The epicenter of the virus remains in the Americas, where more than 50 percent of the world's cases have been recorded," WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporters on Monday. "It would appear that many countries are losing gains made as proven measures to reduce risk are not implemented or followed."

 

Perhaps you could list the people who have said that those " deaths are seen as being not nearly so tragic"? And its 573,000 Covid deaths in 3 months, not one year.

Also to put it in perspective, 3-5 million were killed in the first wave of the Spanish flu and tens times that many were killed in the second wave.

 

All of these numbers have been gathered since the beginning of this year. The other deaths are also continuing to increase.

I’m sorry that you are not moved by things like cancer, heart disease or starvation. The death rate for c-19 is 7 in 100,000.

Watching my father and two others in my life die an agonizing death from cancer in the last couple years.
I’ve seen 5 die from arterial disease has made me very attuned time it’s much greater danger!

Surely you recognize that we will all die of something so why not fear what is likely to kill us?

The greater the threat the greater the need to allocate resources.

 

Sure, more money should be spent on healthcare.
Covid is very different from cancer or heart disease though.
It's a highly contagious virus with no vaccine or cure. Shutting down was the only option we had to arrest the spread and it worked as well as could be hoped. Without stay at home policies the body count would have been far higher.

 

We have absolutely no evidence that the stay at home orders were necessary but we do have evidence that we paralyzed the entire western economy. How more would have died? It becomes an article of faith.

Also one cannot help but notice that screaming Black Lives Matter (mostly without face masks) protestors and their rallies were never stopped even in areas with stay at home orders.

This makes everything seem political because it is.

One cannot shut everything down for an extended period of time because it wrecks the economy and even the most left leaning politicians began to realize it was drying up tax revenue.

 

Maybe one of the reasons would be is that no one wants to follow the rules to the pandemic. There may be some that are stupid enough to follow Trump into the fantasy of wishful thinking, and there are those refuse to be dictated to. If we do the right things that we're supposed to do to combat this epidemic, we'll have the battle half won and maybe get better. America beat the spanish flu back in 1918 and we will have a victory soon enough. Is that too much to ask?

 

[QUOTE="California is largely closing again amid a spike in coronavirus cases across the state, as Gov. Gavin Newsom announced statewide restrictions Monday to again halt all indoor dining and close bars, family entertainment, zoos and museums. At the same time, 30 counties will be forced to shutter gyms, churches, hair salons, malls and other businesses. ."[/QUOTE]
State of California is being quarantined again and there could be a stay at home order for all in that state to stem the growth of the virus and check the state you might see a possible stay at home order by Governor Gavin Newsom to possibly combat the coronavirus from spreading even further. If we could wear not have to go out unless necessary, wear the masks, keep distance 6 feet, wash your hands and use sanitizer whenever possible as well as other things toi combat the pandemic and we'll be all right. Is that too much to ask of all of us? It's best to stay safe whenever possible.

 

I think I've discovered who's behind it all...

https://www.bing.com/images/search?...4D7BC0008081F1B4&selectedIndex=109&ajaxhist=0

Think about it, they've had those masks for decades!

 

Yes it is necessary to follow the guidelines to fight the pandemic. We the people should do as we're told to stay safe and have the pandemic from spreading even further.

 

Given the crazy high numbers of cases in all of the European countries with the tightest lockdowns it would appear that lockdowns are ineeffective.

 

The countries in Europe with the tightest lockdowns had significantly lower cases!

 

Like Germany?

 

You mean like Italy or Belgium?

 

Do you ever bother to research your "facts"? Italy was the first European country to be significantly effected and had NO lockdown!

ps Please use the quote function when replying to other posters else you won't be involved in any debate that can be followed by others including those who respond to your posts

 

In Amsterdam I watched as Italy not only locked down but also shut it’s borders and I was likely infected by the virus as I was in regular contact with Italians. I had a cough for five weeks. But in the real world people get sick and nearly all of them get better. And here are the latest facts.

 

Read this to get some insight on the delayed Italian response to the virus:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/05/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-lockdown-reopen.html

 

Japan also had low numbers of cases with virtually no shut downs.
But the numbers are either actually spiking or there is better testing or people are conflating presumed cases into the mix.
In any case there is always a panic over something. Before this virus there was extinction rebellion and the belief that human beings had perhaps 12 years before we became extinct. Then there was the fear of nuclear annihilation and god knows how many others.
When you have chicken little running through the marketplace constantly you finally get to the point where you stop being afraid of being afraid all the time. People still have a greater chance of being killed in a motor vehicle accident than of dying from this virus.

 

The bottom line is you can’t keep shutting things down and forcing people to stay at home because economies can’t bear that.
It’s also craven.

 

Not true. 35-40k die each year from traffic incidents in the US. In just 4 months 140k have died after contracting the coronavirus.
In the UK it is even more inaccurate as fewer than 2k die in traffic incidents each year compared to 45k in just 4 months.

 

More than 720,000 people have died so far this year worldwide from motor vehicle fatalities according to worldometer.

 

However, plenty of evidence that the KKK strategy;

Keep working
Keep wearing masks
Keep your distance

........implemented by several Asian nations/states, WORKED ADMIRABLY, however, among Western nations, hard to implement, harder to sustain.

And ironically, the ones who keep chanting; “We should have kept working”, are ignoring/discouraging/discrediting two essential K’s.

In other words, just a bunch of whiners.