Correlation between atheism and liberalism

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  1. MAYTAG

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    I trust corporate entities who must balance their accounts far more than I trust a government that can do and spend whatever it wants however it wants with no concern for where that money comes from.

    I also believe that the U.S. should recognize all marriages between consenting adults. I am unwilling, however, to vote for the democrats, who believe in free money, just out of hope that the U.S. will give equal marriage rights to gays, when marriage is an abstract, phony concept anyway and money is real and not free.
     
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    I have no interest in wasting my vote on a 3rd party. I'm a realist. I no longer have childish dreams of rising up and changing the world. My goal is to best use the world that's already here to achieve what I think is right. Since gays can get married (as I described) and anyone can sign power of attorney over to anyone else, this whole "gay-marriage" thing is hardly a pressing issue. In fact, it seems to me that gays are much happier being "oppressed" than most people are normally. Now, let me be clear, any attacks, bullying, or discrimination against gays is despicable. But fighting for this marriage deal seems to make them much happier than they will be when they actually get married. Again, I'm a realist and when I don't see anyone getting hurt, I don't see any reason to take action.
     
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    I have a work and make enough money to own a computer but money are just the mean not the aim , if something atheism has taught me is that i don't need consumerist goods just because everybody has them , no car, no cell phone, no sun glasses, no credit card etc and hey i can have the perfect vacations in a cheap hotel .
    You think that being like the rest and owning more things gives you some kind of status well it does not , theism is a way of mainstreaming .


    Durandal i fail to see how you can be an atheist and believe in anything else than evolution, personally i have not met any with this obscure ideas.
     
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    I'm not concerned with status and I reject the proposed importance most people attribute to material goods.

    No car, no cell phone, no sunglasses, how about NO FOOD, NO SHELTER? That's where Europe is heading if the people there don't start realizing how important economics is.
     
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    Europe is food wise self sufficient and we do own our houses.
    You know what surprises me is how a nation built from hardened pioneers that inhabited a wild land gave birth to such drama queens , my country has gone bankrupt 4 times already another one wouldn't be the end of the world... it is also a fact that half of it is owned by the tax free church and there are monasteries with offshore companies in Barbados .
    No we will not starve, we will not taken over my muslims , China has no political influence , Russia is a good trading partner, talking about races does make you a racist and mainstream religion all over the continent is either losing water or people are converting to paganism.
    Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger and wiser , do not forget that our most creative period came after the black death , literature and art flourished after the Balkans have fallen to Asian savages , disasters are kick starting progress in Europe and i am grateful that prayers are standing for nothing .
     
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    So what happens to those who are owed money by your country after the bankruptcy? That's quite a hit for them, isn't it? Who would be so foolish to lend money to a country after its 5th bankruptcy? When the occupants claim economics is not important at all, we'll just file another bankruptcy and everything will be fine? No offense, my man, but that seems crazy to me... that you would be so flippant about your country's inability to live up to the agreements it has made. Maybe I'm just a drama queen, but I don't see how you get by with those attitudes unless it is off the good graces of others.
     
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    I think that is your right to do so. I would even die for your right to say that.

    But when people try and make legal and restrictive policy based on the bible, aka "We should make gay marriage illegal because the bible say its a sin" then I will go freaking ballistic all over you, and your argument. :)

    Sadly though, its the fundimentalists that try and push religious dogma as law. And fundimentalists are shown to be one of the most authorative style groups in america today.
     
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    Do fundamentalists threaten me if I don't buy health coverage or want to drink a super sized soda or decide to drive an SUV? Last I checked the abortion industry is booming and gays are gradually being allowed to marry. The authoritative fascists rule.

    As for marriage, government should not be in the sex business.......except for opening whore houses so they can collect the taxes off prositutes that is.
     
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    What do you do with evil men who wish to be free?
     
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    Reagan is the NeoCon God.
     
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    Plus, after the USA PATRIOT ACT and other such changes, the neoCONS really have no right to talk about the Constitution.
     
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    A Creationist view of politics would have all modern forms of government created from scratch as they exist now :D

    Evolution is certainly a very powerful 'force' in the universe. It drives all things to improvement where ever possible and eventually creates complexity from a very simple beginning.
     
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    How do you explain the Hebrews turning around and enslaving whole races of men right afterward?
     
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    Europe is not America and does not have our Constitution.
     
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    But Christ is God right?

    And God commanded the Israelites to take slaves and gave them instructions on how to correctly beat them. How can God be both for and against slavery at the same time?
     

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