Cosatu wants SA Communist Party to now run SA, with ANC to take back seat

You don't have to live in Europe to have a comprehension of communism, (I find your assumptions of... because I'm old, live where I live.... because I... therefore I know better than you arguments not only without basis but rather ridiculous)

below quoted is communism in Zimbabwe & South Africa is on the same trajectory...but heading for a bigger and faster collapse. There are 40 million people Food insecure in Southern Africa, and half of all South Africans already do not have enough to eat every day... so some days they go without. This is status now... after 25 years walking towards communism. Are you suggesting they're going to pull a rabbit out of their hat to feed more than 100 million people like Capitalist Apartheid did?

Australia's unemployment is between 5-6%, that's a 94% employment rate, 100% is not only feasible but exactly what white capitalist South Africans are doing in the small communities they are creating.
Borders are closed, community adhesion strong, new migrants are assessed on their usefulness and ability to integrate... ie culture and a second doctor for a community that have outgrown one. In addition the economy is carefully managed for the benefit of the community... not the wealthy & migrants(like we're seeing in the west with staggering inequality). Digital currencies keep the money circulating within the community and export products are created to work for the community not a small minority of wealthy elite. Everyone gets a job, no one is idle - 100% employment rate.

this was your perception and easily achieved when taking into account the propaganda distributed by the liberal west and ANC' People's War (they were educated in Vietnam on how to smear opponents and spread false propaganda)
Keep in mind that the ANC had to brutally murder (with tyres and burning diesel) approx 20 000 of their own people, to get them to protest... they were leading a good life in comparison to the rest of Africa.

Truth is Black South Africans had the highest paying wages on the African continent, they received open heart transplants for R1, the Apartheid government invested more on black education than any other country in the world including the UN. I can give you a more comprehensive list if you require one.

Apartheid apologist? There's no apology here, only reality and the reality is that now without Apartheid the black population is going to be much much worse off. Worse off than white South Africans.

South Africa is the original open borders story, After the discovery of gold, there were a massive influx of migrants, Paul Kruger (the first President) wanted new migrants to gain citizenship after initially a 10 year stay... later decided to a 4 years stay. There were more white people in Johannesburg during the mid to late 1800's than black people, (I have the numbers if you want those).

The British then used the new migrants as an excuse to invade the South African republic and take the resources, they murdered 30 000 women and children in the process. To get cheap labour they opened South Africa's borders. The Boer Republic went from majority white to majority black. The shocking treatment of the mine workers were of course blamed on Apartheid as everything else. Apartheid was an attempt to solve the massive influx of migrants from many different tribes and cultures... to retain culture, language and dignity for all... segregation laws were already introduced...below is a timeline

Apartheid was introduced in 1948, ended in 1995

By the time the third industrial revolution came around in 1969... South Africa had too many labourers.

And this is how the first Boer Republic went from White to Black... Open Borders - so the British can strip its resources.

(I'll add that I had to sit and watch Kevin Rudd - previous Australian PM make the case for a more than doubling of Australia's population in the next 2-3 decades... while he completely ignored the 4th industrial revolution... incredible)

 

As a European of my age I have experienced “homegrown” Communism, its origins, and both how, why, and where it was considered favourable. I call that “a basis” and your lack of understand that fact “ridiculous”.

You don't understand politics at all, I see. Once Ian Smith (in Rhodesia) and the Apartheid regime (in the RSA) ended, “the change” was immediate and all-encompassing. No hats with rabbits anywhere in sight. Just Democratic leadership change …. poof! … overnight.

How is my experience in South Africa invalid by whatever "propaganda" might have been distributed by “the liberal west”? What about the Apartheid propaganda and disinformation freely distributed by the white government throughout the country? Doesn't that count for anything?

Did I did not see Apartheid in action for myself? Was I not compelled to ride the lower deck for “whites only” on the buses in Cape Town? Did I not have to seek out the racially-allocated toilette so as not to violate sovereign law by entering the "Bantu only" or the "Coloureds only" toilettes? Did I not have to enter the post office through the door marked for "whites only"? Did I not see Africans shoved out of the queue at shops such as OK Bazaar to make way for white customers and how blacks were told to stand aside and wait for all whites to be served first? Did I not see the segregated railway fly-overs in even some of the most remote villages along the rail line in Natal and the Eastern Cape? Did I not see the squalor of the townships? Did I not arrive at railways stations to find the second queue suddenly closed then beckon me to step forward to purchase my ticket while the blacks who had stood in that queue be damned? Were blacks not compelled to call me “baas” and whites simply sneer at “good morning, baases and madames!” rather than return the greeting? I lived in South Africa, for god's sake ….. but you think my opinion is based upon “propaganda distributed by the liberal west”? You poor soul.

The rest of your post is just more of the same flippant tripe so I am not going to waste any more of my time with it. What I have just written ought to be adequate. I question whether or not you are old enough to have lived in the RSA during the Apartheid era. I actually do not think that you did.

 

We've had much of this conversation before, the truth is too much for you... how can it be that this level of deception exist....liberals are stuck in the cycle of manipulation.... behind the Paper Curtain. (The Vietnamese referred to it as the Bamboo curtain). I'll quote information on the Paper Curtain at the bottom of this post.

Regarding Democracy, if you think South Africa is a democracy you're a lone voice, there is not only consensus that democracy have failed in South Africa but this thread tells you the South African Communist party will now select cabinet positions and parliamentary positions... they rule with intimidation and violence.
A recent report by one of south Africa's Universities also said what many already know, Black South Africans were not ready for democracy.

<<< this part should sound familiar

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Truth is that 60% of the South African troops who fought courageously and died valiantly on the side of the English-speaking world against the forces of Nazi Germany were Afrikaners. D.F. Malan’s government was actually one of the very first to recognise the new state of Israel. He was the first head of state to visit the newborn country. Since 1967 – and especially during the Yom Kippur War of 1973 substantial financial support flowed from South Africa to Israel. The seven million dollars contributed by Jews and many Afrikaners and the willingness of the South African government to allow the transfer of such capital, in view of balance of payment problems, was a tribute to the warm-heartedness of South African whites for Israel. Yet the Nazi image persisted. The New Zealand “Listener” and “Christchurch Press” expressed fear for their “English speaking brethren in South Africa. When J.G Strijdom succeeded Malan, the overseas pundits said that English speaking South Africans would lose their language rights and would be treated as second class citizens. None of it ever happened. They called Strijdom “Openly Anti-British…a fierce demagogic and capable speaker, who is at his best or worst in his favourite language, Afrikaans – a rudimentary language not well adapted to the finer nuances of meaning”… Such was the hate speech against the Afrikaners, yet these hypocrites claimed that the benevolent and pious Afrikaners were the worst evil that ever walked the earth since the Nazis. That they built concentration camps and gas chambers for blacks. In “The Paper Curtain”, Dr Eschel Rhoodie recalls on page 194 an argument he had with a Professor at Trinity College (Hartford, Connecticut) and whose belief in concentration camps for the Blacks in South Africa was unshakable. Dr. Rhoodie says… “Finally I suggested that he should visit South Africa and if he could bring back one photograph of such a camp I would personally pay his expenses. The next day he announced to the student newspaper that the Government of South Africa had invited him to an “all expenses paid tour” of South Africa.” Today no one can point out even one concentration camp for blacks, no gas-chambers and no mass graves from the Apartheid era…It simply never existed. When the Nazi invective did not work the media tried to paint white South Africans as “Slave Masters”. The British journalist Adam Raphael of “The Guardian” started investigating British business interest and wages paid to Blacks in South Africa. His inspiration was a book called “The South African Connection” written by the Communist Ruth First, wife of arch Communist Joe Slovo and editor of the “Anti-Apartheid News”. Wages of Black mine workers were described as “Near starvation level”, despite mountains of free, calorie-rich food heaped on the worker’s plates three times a day. The Guardian published eight editorials under headings such as “Scandal of African Labour” and “Time to audit or shame and serfdom in South Africa”. Other journals in Britain picked up on this theme. In the second week of March 1973, 30 articles about black wages in South Africa appeared in the Fleet Street press alone, the following week it climbed to 66 articles and by the end of March 1973 it soared to 77 articles. During April 188 articles on Black wages in South Africa were published. The British Parliament took over from Raphael and the Rogers commission started probing Black wages in South Africa. They were tackling the dust on the furniture in South Africa whilst ignoring the grime on the floors elsewhere where Britain had business interests. On South African sugar plantations, Black South Africans were earning five times the wages paid to tea leaf pickers in Sri Lanka (Ceylon). In Hong Kong, a British crown colony, more than thirty thousand child labourers were slaving away when it was suppose to be illegal. Chinese workers doing the same work as Europeans were paid 1/70th to 1/100th of the European wages…by British companies. Wages for unskilled black labour in South Africa were five times higher than that in former British colonies such as Kenya, Uganda or Ghana and on par with wages paid in Liberia. The Rogers Commission further found that Britain was paying Jamaicans, Indians and other coloureds in its Merchant Navy wages well below the Plimsoll line set for Whites at a time that the South African Merchant Navy of Safmarine was paying British officers three times more than what South Africans were earning on the same ships for doing the same job. These hypocrites from Britain and the USA issued guidebooks on what Blacks in South Africa should be paid. They came to a figure of $140 per month. Someone took the trouble to go to the Washington`s Census Bureau to determine how many Americans were earning wages below that level. Back came the answer: Twenty-four million – mostly Black! When South Africa executed two Blacks for killing a court witness it was front page news all over the world. When 69 rioting and dangerously armed blacks were killed while attacking the police station at Sharpeville it sent the international media into frenzy. When 11 out of control armed and looting blacks were killed at a mine in Carletonville the international media called it a “Mini Sharpeville” and went almost crazy…. When 70,000 blacks were killed in Cameroon in 1964 the reports hardly made the papers. When a 100,000 blacks per year lost their lives in strife in the Sudan it made some inside pages. At the time of Sharpeville the death toll in Burundi, Uganda and Nigeria topped a million, but it hardly managed to stir the press pundits of the world. In Uganda Idi Amin expelled 40,000 Asians…something that never happened in South Africa, but apparently the Liberal International press finds Black racists less offensive than white racists. In the early 1960’s Fred Friendly of CBS TV set out to produce a special on South Africa. He promised the SA authorities that it would be an unbiased and objective review of current affairs. The end result was titled “Sabotage in South Africa”. It might as well have been called “Sabotage of South Africa”. Strings of Anti South African movies were made by the British. Their names speak for themselves, “The Colour line; Whiter than Thou; The Dumping Grounds; South Africa loves Jesus; Last grave at Dimbaza and The good ladies of Johannesburg”. Along came two British producers, John Morgan (Thames TV) and Hugh Burnett (BBC-TV) who made a film each titling the two productions, “The Afrikaner”. Morgan subtitled his celluloid treatise, “Where Sport and politics go hand-in-hand”. It was mainly a program on sport in South Africa filmed during the 1968 British Rugby tour of South Africa. John Morgan portrayed the Afrikaner sportsman as a dour brute bent on avenging the Anglo-Boer War by bashing his British opponents into bloody submission. By mentioning that the Springbok Captain, Dawie de Villiers, also happened to be a religious minister (Dominee), the Afrikaner was further vilified as a political and physical brute and religious fanatic all rolled into one. After seeing the film, Mary Morgan of the Daily Mirror wrote about the Afrikaners… “Those Dutch farmers in far off South Africa had faith in “God and the referee” to ensure victory. God works best in bodies, made harder and fitter, it seems; and these dour church-going “dogged Dutch” were sold with the will to win, and a sense of mission that to win is their task.” Burnett’s “Afrikaner” portrayed “The white tribe that rules South Africa” as isolationist Bible-pounders on the defence. He carefully selected “Official spokesmen” like Gert Yssel to proselytize on the evils of the mini-skirt…obscure men who were ridiculed by their own people. In other movies, isolated outbreaks of diseases such as marasmas, palarga, kwashiorkor, and malnutrition were blown up to portray it as the norm in South Africa. Some movies like “End of Dialogue” were given amateur looks and presented as made by black “freedom fighters” such as the

PAC, but were in fact made by White Liberals. The Swedes Per Sanden and Rudi Spee came up with a shock treatise on “The Massacre of Caprivi” in South West Africa (Namibia). Relying on the tales of one black man and parading a series of unidentified human skulls, the Swedes proclaimed with horror that no fewer than 105 defenceless blacks were massacred by South African troops in 1968. Reacting to strong challenge from South Africa, the producers first reduced the “death toll” to sixty-three, and then decided that “perhaps there may have been two massacres instead of one. How can anyone take these foreign journalists seriously? In Haiti political opponents of President Duvalier were simply lined up against a wall and shot without a trial. In Algeria opponents of erstwhile President Ben Bella, including some men who helped him to power were tried in secret military courts, without the right of counsel and without the right to appeal. In the USSR execution of political prisoners was common place. People founding to be practising capitalism were simply shot. In Indonesia offenders were heard in secret by President Sukarno’s judges and sentenced in secret.
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The sentences were also carried out in secret. In several Middle Eastern countries such as Yemen, opponents of the government in power are shot out of hand or beheaded in public. In Morocco in early 1965, fourteen Nationalists were tried and executed in secret by a military court. In South Africa on the other hand, a person accused of sabotage or treason like Nelson Mandela, could obtain legal counsel from anywhere in the world, was tried in public with the press and judges of foreign countries invited to sit in on the proceedings. The accused were tried by a Supreme Court Justice, who is not the nominee of a political party, and have the right of Appeal. He was not tried for “Opposing the Government” (there are millions of people and several newspapers opposing the Government every day), but for Specific Crimes like blowing up Post Offices or Power Stations, smuggling arms from aboard, or assisting an armed attempt to overthrow the government, etc… The examples are legion, but for now it will suffice. Maybe many of these media people were actually trying to be truly objective, but their objectiveness and political centre lies somewhere between left and far left. The Right for them is an unknown land. Personally I think it was a matter of vultures descending on a carcass. Most of these journalists knew exactly what they were doing and how they were knifing the whites of South Africa in the back. People will ask what the South African government did as counter measures to this anti-South African propaganda. Did they not defend themselves? They certainly did, but it was a super-jet that was shot down before it could take off. As usual the betrayal came from within.

The man who sunk the project was none other than future Prime Minister, State President and dictator, P.W. Botha. For those who have followed this series, you will agree that there is no doubt that South Africa was under a full scale onslaught from all over the world. The United Nations, The British Commonwealth, The World Council of Churches, the electronic and printed media, were all trying to bury the Whites of South Africa so that International Financiers could get their grimy paws on our mineral riches. The responsibility for South Africa’s image fell on the Department of Information. The Minister of Information at the time was Dr. Connie Mulder, father of Freedom Front Plus leader and ANC collaborator, Dr Pieter Mulder. The time was the 1970’s. The Prime Minister of South Africa was John Vorster. Minister of Defence was P.W.Botha. Dr. Eschel Rhoodie was the Secretary of the Department of Information. A brilliant and highly intelligent man, Dr. Rhoodie established a task team with major players like his own brother Deneys Rhoodie and personal friend Les de Villiers. They would be the spin doctors that would polish South Africa’s image with truth and objectivity…countering the lies and subjectivity of the international media, the UN, etc. About 70 Million Rand (about the same in dollars at the time) were made available from the defence budget to fund secret projects such as establishing the magazine “To the Point” in Europe and the newspaper “The Citizen” in South Africa and buying the Washington Star newspaper in the USA to counter the lies coming from the David Rockefeller newspaper, The Washington Post. This is nothing new. Every single government does this. The Netherlands government for instance sponsors several Newspapers on both the right and the left to paint them in a rosy picture. The English South African Newspaper, The Rand Daily Mail, belonging to Anglo American/De Beers, who felt under threat from The Citizen “Exposed” the so called “Information Scandal” as misappropriating funds for clandestine operations. P.W. Botha saw his opportunity to seize power. He could swat two flies with one blow, namely his own party rival Dr. Mulder, Leader of the NP in Transvaal as well as the then Prime Minister John Vorster. Both resigned along with Dr. Rhoodie and P.W. became the new Prime Minister. Pik Botha, Minister of Foreign Affairs and personal friend of Henry Kissinger took over the Department of Information. Dr Rhoodie fled to Ecuador, then to the UK and eventually was arrested in France. He was witch hunted and made the scapegoat for projects that P.W. Botha knew fully about and secretly funded in the best interest of South Africa. By 1979 Rhoodie was found guilty of fraud and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

The sentence was later reversed and Rhoodie was absolved from all blame by the Bloemfontein Appeals Court and set free. He then left for the USA and worked in advertising until his death in 1993. P.W. Botha would become the man that would steer South Africa into the abyss. A virtual dictator, he is the one who took South Africa from the original National Party policy of Dr Verwoerd’s “Separate and Equal Development” to “Power Sharing” with Blacks….But more on that in the next edition. If only the likes of Dr. Rhoodie and Les de Villiers were allowed to run their projects, South Africa today would have had a much different image in the world but it is water under the bridge and cowboys don’t cry. We have come to learn that when one door closes on the white man another one opens. For us it came in the form of Dr. William Bradford Shockley, who invented the transistor and was awarded the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1956. Dr David Duke mentions the Shockley phenomenon in his book, “My Awakening”. Shockley was not only a highly intelligent scientist, he was also well aware of racial issues and racial intelligence. Shockley knew that the White race was and is under threat and if we do not do something, the White race will cease to exist. As Dr. David Duke says…Dr. Shockley’s invention of the transistor enabled us to have Personal Computers, lap tops and the internet today. Dr. Shockley handed us an electronic Excalibur to smite the world of lies out there. Today the internet is in our hands and we can actively participate to counter the lies of our beautiful country, South Africa. Let us not be unrealistic or delude ourselves. Apartheid had its faults like all political systems in the world. There is no paradise on earth, but in Africa the Republic of South Africa under White rule was the closest thing to it… Main Sources: The Paper Curtain – Dr. Eschel Rhoodie South Africa; A Skunk Amongst Nations – Les De Villiers People’s War – Dr. Anthea Jeffrey P.W. Botha; The last Betrayal – Dr Eschel Rhoodie Verrat an Südafrika – Klaus D. Vaqué My Awakening – Dr. David Duke
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Have you created any threads on your personal experiences?

I'd like to know what was the final straw, that drove you to leave, and how you managed it.

 

I don't really like giving too much personal information online... in person I am more likely to share. I left for several reasons and considered going back many times, reasons for not going back are..

Post traumatic stress and seeing the writing on the wall, while most South Africans hoped things would work out I think 90% of white South Africans knew it wouldn't work.

The surprise so far has been the speed of decline... the level of corruption is mind boggling and the incompetence due to Affirmative Action is staggering, worse than anyone could have predicted.

Most South Africans have violence stories, I rarely share mine...sorry

 

I think that I get your point.

At any rate, I'm glad that you are not there.

 

Whatever the insinuation source if it is innate or through influence they certainly need a control out there to improve themselves and have a better or best life, they only have to change and in the process should be controlled to assimilate themselves once again into the civilized world.

 

Let's just say that I am anti-racist Apartheid and you are pro-racist Apartheid and leave it at that. The fact that I have lived in South Africa during the Apartheid regime but you have not .... we'll just ignore that.

 

To be fair, The New World is made up of invading colonialists who seized land by either force or barter then fused a cluster of them under one regime and called it a nation. But truth of the matter is that the tribes of Indians and Africans (within the "new" nation) are dissimilar in so many ways that they have no enthusiasm to live together. This should not be a surprise when you consider the Boer and English who created a sort of pseudo-Apartheid of their own and there are still aspirations of Natal and the Orange Free State being Afrikaans entities of their own. Anyway, forcing the various African tribes to coexist was never very successful and when "Black Rule" of the whole of South Africa became a reality the playing field was set for tribal mentality to assert itself.

So, although your ideas of "assimilation" are noble, I suspect the best (only?) way for peace/prosperity is for the tribes to reinstate their boundaries and call them "nations" once again. The next task is what to do with the English and the Boer but I guess that hurdle will have to be vaulted when the time comes.

 

Back in 2010, there was a voice for a United Africa or even he called it the United States of Africa a strong man from Libya but unfortunately he was not so friendly with the western alliance and his vision for a united Africa was quashed by then African leader, he was Muammar Gaddafi, but like Donald Trump now his aim is isolationism which I think placed acerbity on his concocted plans, he was killed during the Libyan civil war by the way.
I could not see any African Strong man nowadays that would serve as a unification factor all through out Africa and with the white Africans I still don't think that they can get the trust of the native Africans mostly when they have poignant and horrible experience before with Leopold II of Belgium before when he out of greed manage to slaughter 10 Million individuals out of the the Congo Free State. I think what they need now is an ideal a model and it should show something where their dreams be realized.
They are in disarray now and democracy which is for the people and by the people will never work at the moment ergo the people are not united and in strife.

 

As a viable plan I think we can put that idea aside as an outrageous joke. Arabs, Berbers, Africans with a thousand different languages and cultures and deities ….. all in one nation? Pshaw! And for what reason - because they live on a concocted geographical term called “continent”? We can't even come to any agreement whether Turkey is in Europe or in Asia or if Macedonia should be “allowed” to call their country that. If you look closely at the flag of Slovakia you will see a symbol of the Patriarch beneath which you will notice three “humps” representing the three mountains of Slovakia: Matra, Tatra, and Fatra ….. but the Matras are in Hungary …... not in Slovakia.

I am aware that much riches were generated by conquest but it was at the cost of gazillions of innocent lives. The consequences of conquest and colonialism is now biting us in the butt and decisions on how to deal with it have so far failed, due mostly to the tenacious idea of devoted, historical colonial unity. Germany was reunited but Yugoslavia, the Baltic States, and the Sudan were released. So perhaps we ought to begin letting go?

 

let's just say we are both anti-racist, but I am more concerned whether people have clean water and food to eat. The racist label is simply communist tactics to hide their agenda...the NDR Marxist Revolution

 

Your denial is crushed by the weight of your daily convictions and view of the situation. The fact that I have actually lived in South Africa - during Apartheid - you dismiss as an “unfair” advantage over your misleading assessment of life in South Africa. And the Communist, NDR Marxist Revolutionist label is simply a racialist's tactic to hide an Apartheid agenda.

 

Earlier in the thread I ask, "useful idiot or mass murderer"? Let me walk you through this....

I have given many facts about the current status of South Africa,

I tell you 500 000 people have died in the last 25 years.... you say racist
I tell you more than 3 million women have been raped... you say racist
I tell you tens if not hundreds of thousands of children have been raped... you say racist
I tell you millions of people are already suffering food shortage and water is contaminated with raw sewage... you say racist
I tell you millions of people are going to die... you say racist
I tell you millions of people are going to migrate to Europe... you say racist
I tell you South Africa is not a democracy but in the grip of communism... you say racist


Can you see how your lack of concern for the suffering of South Africans are aiding the communists. Can you see how liberalism acts as camouflage for the communist agenda. As long as you keep yelling racist... none of the real issues will be addressed.

So the question, is it because you don't really know how you contribute to the suffering (the communists refer to this behaviour as useful idiot)... or is it because you simply don't care (which would be most terrible indeed)

 

And I will continue saying "racist" as long as you continue saying the Apartheid regime was best.

What are you talking about? That is a separate issue.

I have expressed my concerns and my opinion on how to work towards alleviating that problem. Maybe you are not paying attention. I suspect you are more concerned with your misconceptions of communism and Apartheid and allowing it to block out the main subject. You must apply yourself more earnestly and try to keep up.

 

Here you go:

 

If this is the way they want to live, it shouldn't be our concern.

 

It will be Europe's concern when millions of people cross their borders... and it is our concern if our governments have to donate millions to feed these people.... the world also intervened during Apartheid... you had no qualms making overthrowing The Apartheid Government your concern, and in doing so your concern have destroyed their food supply... it is now your responsibility.

 

Apartheid was a thousand times better for black South Africans than the terrorist ANC you helped bring to power, South Africa is now sliding into the abyss and it is going to get very ugly. There was so much money from capitalist South Africa that they partied hard for 25 years... now it's all gone, stolen and spent...everything crumbling.

I understand that you would want to spend your sunset years thinking you've helped black Africans against the evil that was feeding them, the truth however is that you have caused them great of suffering, white south Africans will pull together and get through this... black South Africans are going to die on mass, anti Apartheid activists should now all return to help feed the masses.. it is their obligation.

 

Nothing can bring a country to its knees faster than a “share the wealth” ideology.

 

We aren't obligated to do anything outside the United States and that includes feeding the world; if charities from the US want to feed the world, that's fine otherwise let the worlds countries affected by this deal with it on their own terms.

How would you like it if other countries tried to tell us how to run ourselves? I don't think you nor the American people would care for it very much now would you? Nothing against the other countries, I'm just being realistic.

 

Bull crappy.
You didn't see it - I did.
You didn't live it - I did.
It is all very cute of you to drool over your AWB propaganda pamphlets but your collection must have been smuggled out of the country before they (and the flag) were recycled into bum wipers.



Your dream of Weerstandsbeging is dead. Deal with it.

 

I grew up there..

I lived it.

Apartheid were responsible for 630 political deaths. the ANC killed more than 20 000 of their own people in the most brutal way so they would protest... you know why they had to force them...... vvvv because they had it good

you are in denial, your smearing is irrelevant to me... you're merely a communist tool. It is also clear that you are completely cold and heartless when it comes to the suffering of Africans, liberals pretend to care... they only care for their own ideology and self interest... when the consequences come around they are nowhere to be found