Costly exodus: Jobs continue to flow from pro-union states to right-to-work states

Jobs continue to pour out of pro-union states like Illinois and into states with more free-market policies, a report based on Bureau of Labor Statistics data shows.

Right-to-work (RTW) states have added 1.3 million jobs since 2020, while non-RTW states lost 1.1 million jobs, according to a study by economist Todd Nesbit and public policy analyst Michael LaFaive. RTW laws bar the termination of an employee for refusal to pay union dues if they don't want to.

“During the pandemic, there was a huge out-migration from states like Illinois, New York, New Jersey and California into the southern states like Texas, Florida, North Carolina an others, and all of those states happen to be right-to-work,”…







https://justthenews.com/nation/stat...w-pro-union-states-illinois-right-work-states






It is good to see that right to work red states and red counties have recovered more jobs than blue states have lost. It is great that red states now have more jobs than they did pre pandemic. Bidens’ attempt to help blue states regain their pre pandemic levels has failed despite throwing trillions in bail out money from red states tax payers at the issue.

 

Between the pandemic and blue states regulations and red states freedom and the insourcing of jobs back to America from places like China, right to work and access to cheap natural gas are leading indicators of success.

 

LMAOROG



It took more than 5 years for the labor market to recover after the end of the Great Recession.

The unemployment rate in April and May 2020 was much higher than the rate in the Great Recession.
https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2020/article/employment-recovery.htm





In “right to work" states, 24% of jobs in 2019 were in low-wage occupations, compared to 14.5% of jobs in other states without right to work laws
https://aflcio.org/issues/right-work




“Right-to-Work” States Still Have Lower Wages

At their core, RTW laws seek to hamstring unions’ ability to help employees bargain with their employers for better wages, benefits, and working conditions. Given that unionization raises wages both for individual union members as well as for nonunion workers in unionized sectors, it is not surprising that research shows that both union and nonunion workers in RTW states have lower wages and fewer benefits, on average, than comparable workers in other states.

https://www.epi.org/publication/right-to-work-states-have-lower-wages/

Over at the Fourth Branch, they've got a nice map showing the states that receive more than a dollar back for every dollar they pay in taxes (which they've coded red), and the states that receive less than a dollar back for every dollar they pay in taxes (which they've coded blue). Just to repeat: Red states are getting a good deal, and blue states a bad one. Here's the map:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/04/the_red_state_ripoff.html

 

Lol, you just can't make this up. Union workers were fired for trying to unionize the union.

Union fired their own workers for trying to organize a union, source says
https://nypost.com/2015/09/23/union-fired-workers-for-trying-to-organize-a-union-source/

 

From your link

“We do not fire people for union activity,” the official said.

“Any staffing decisions on the Making Change at Walmart campaign were made solely by UFCW’s human resources department,” said Schlademan, who is now spearheading another OUR Walmart campaign, with 20 social justice and labor groups.

FAIR, the Federation of Agents & International Representatives, which represents UFCW workers, including organizers and office workers, would be responsible for investigating why five of the 10 OUR Walmart workers in the Seattle office were not union members, one ousted worker said.

FAIR President Steven Marrs declined to comment beyond saying the workers were not members of FAIR.

According to the fired worker, however, Marrs did reach out to OUR Walmart honchos Schlademan and Andrea Dehlendorf, requesting meetings and employment documents.

WEIRD ONE GUY SAYS THIS, FROM 7 YEARS AGO AND NOTHING??? More right wing nonsense I'm pretty sure

Fired in a Pandemic ‘Because We Tried to Start a Union,’ Workers Say

Employees who were in unions or pushing to join them have been laid off and replaced by nonunionized labor. It’s part of a pattern stretching back decades, experts say.

...As American companies lay off millions of workers, some appear to be taking advantage of the coronavirus crisis to target workers who are in or hope to join unions, according to interviews with more than two dozen workers, labor activists and employment lawyers
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/business/coronavirus-unions-layoffs.html

NO PAYWALL LINK
https://archive.ph/4O7NV


The Rise and Fall of Labor Unions In The U.S.
From the 1830s until 2012 (but mostly the 1930s-1980s)
https://whorulesamerica.ucsc.edu/power/history_of_labor_unions.html


How Amazon Crushes Unions
In a secret settlement in Virginia, Amazon swore off threatening and intimidating workers. As the company confronts increased labor unrest, its tactics are under scrutiny.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/technology/amazon-unions-virginia.html

NO PAYWALL
https://archive.ph/EpRcc

 

No one ever gets fired for union activity, just ask any company that happened to fire employees during a union drive because it’s illegal.

Have you ever been in a union, managed unionized workers or participated in negotiating a contract? I haven’t don’t the first, but did the second and third.

 

I’ve done the first and third. I hate when unions forget who they are, but it does happen from time to time. You should see what it’s like bargaining a union contract when the employer is also a union.

 

The negotiations I sat in on never amounted to a contract and the push to unionize ended. It was pretty enlightening.

For the last 7 years I've managed union employees and the contract literally comes in a printed book or searchable .pdf. Just about everything is vague. There are specifics for pay, days off and stuff like that, but a lot of those 400+ pages need can be interpreted any which way you want. The company has a book which details their interpretation of the articles but no one below a director or person who deals with labor issues can see it. This way the company can tailor their interpretation to the situation as needed. The union has their interpretation of the articles and it's available to just about anyone who can log into their website. I can't.

I can understand why the contract is vague, but it really does make things tough when quick decisions need to be made when the union wants to argue a contractual issue. The killer is, and I, we, all of us have been warned a bazillion times, if we make a call on a vague contractual issue and it works in the union's favor, it then sets the precedent region wide. But we do have a thing called a local agreement. That's where the local's president can enter into an agreement with management that will impact specific groups of people, typically within his local. Those local agreements only last a year and we don't have them very often, in fact, I've never seen one renewed.

 

What kind of stuff is vague? Specifics about how they do their job?

 

There are many places in the contract where the words expect, expected and expectation are used. The one that most frequently gets argued is an article about submitting vacation time. The article states employees are expected to submit their vacation time for the following year by November of the current year. To me that’s pretty clear. The union argues that an expectation is not a requirement. No one has ever filed a grievance on the word because it would eventually go to arbitration where one side will lose and both sides are afraid if that.

 

Since Trump the gains in jobs and income are in the red states. The bicoastal blue states are huffing fumes from their past success while pretending it’s the current reality. The total job numbers say it all. +1.3 million vs -1.1 million.

 

The first line is totally untrue, TOTALLY untrue!!! That official is a lying shill for the union and a paid liar..

 

I love how GDP is used to make dems look better. Look at California's GDP. They still lead the nation in poverty and jobs are fleeing. Its not that Reps are that great; Dems are just worse.

 

Your link though

 

The Democrat running for Senate in my state is running on the big I SUPPORT UNIONS thingy. Perhaps he has missed all the failed union certification votes including the recent Amazon warehouse in Bessemer where the United States Department of Unions.......errr Labor got the overwhelming loss vacated because even though it was the Union that demanded mail in voting they objected with the USPS put a temporary mailbox at the gate to facilitate voting. Just amazing.


Alabama workers have been rejecting unions for decades after all those "GOOD UNION JOBS" went away because of the union demands and attempts to extort owners or to protect their national contracts over jobs here. Textiles, lumber and wood products, pulp and paper. Workers in our new industries don't want the union to have any part of their jobs, they like working in a pleasant non-union atmosphere, were everyone is there to make the company successful thus making themselves successful. The car plants, the steel plants the unions are doing everything they can and are getting nowhere the workers giving them their middle fingers telling them to take a hike.

The jobs come here not because we are a right to work state but because right to work states allow the workers to decide if they want to join a union or not and helps to make union intimidation more difficult. Oh and it's the unions who want to take away the secret ballot in union certification elections. Why so they can try and use their muscle to intimidate the workers into voting for the union.

 

I think you meant, ARE BETTER

Biden-Voting Counties Equal 70% Of The U.S. Economy

In the 2020 election, Brookings found that the 2,497 counties across the country that voted for President Donald Trump generate 29% of the U.S. GDP. Meanwhile, the 477 counties won by President-elect Joe Biden contribute 70% of the American economy.

https://fortune.com/2020/11/12/joe-biden-voters-election-results-by-county-us-gdp-democrats/

 

In many cases these studies don’t account for the vast differences in the cost of living benefitting right to work states or the fact that when the absence of union dues are considered the right to work worker is often effectively making more than their urban unionized counterpart is. It’s by design. No one is going to unionize when they effectively make more without it.

 

Those employers can continue to suffer from a shortage of labor.

 

Not sure if this is totally because of unions tho. Unions (not sure how many of them, but at least some of the big ones) were some of the hardest-fighting opposition to the employer vaccine mandates, especially the govt contractor mandates. According to the news articles I read on it, they were mostly only successful in negotiating exemptions for people who could work in isolated conditions, which probably resulted in a lot of people still having to find new jobs. A lot of those people probably ended up looking for jobs in areas that werent mandating vaccines as conditions of employment, which means red states, which means right to work states.

 

But but but, Orange man bad. By the way, the Queen died. That's what the left want to talk about.

 

Devout partisans will always find a rose colored lens. When you factor in the GDP, abundant resources, and high taxes. results in CA make the levels of irresponsibility even more egregious. CA still leads the nation in poverty.