https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...rism-chief-calls-for-greater-social-inclusion He very definitely has a good point here. In Scotland where the Muslim community believe they have a good relationship with both Government and the Police we have had very little violent extremism and only a couple of handfuls of people went to fight in the ME. Before the move to hatred of Muslims, Britain had not addressed our racism towards people of Pakistan. Our racism towards 'Pakis' then moved to hatred of Muslims. I remember at the time research showed that because of this many had a very poor sense of belonging in the UK making them vulnerable or what Basu calls malleable. It would appear that the time we lived in which was one when the UK was intimately involved in wars against Muslims, was one which encouraged people to see this as caused by their religion when even at this time academics were saying what motivated people to go fight was political not religious. At that time we were ignoring our academics. So I would suggest the rise of far right is a consequence to this and possibly a very deliberate consequence. In order to get the Far Right going you have to degrade intellectual investigations. With the Far Right this has now got to the point that they believe anyone who is intellectual is 'left' or at any rate that is what I have seen on this forum. The intent surely has been to stop intellectual inquiry which would interfere with this being a 'Muslim' issue caused they would argue by the religion of Islam - a religion I would add which in the first part of my life was seen as and acted peacefully. A religion which then moved on in my country to be seen as pathetically passive - the kind of people you could do anything to as the idiots tried to integrate....until 9/11 or in the UK a little bit prior to 9/11 when they were already trying beginning to react and have riots. So we now have the rise of the far right in a world which has been encouraged by propaganda to hate Muslims and Islam due to the West led from the US engaging in destruction of many ME countries. We have reached the point where the far right is wanting to cause serious problems in the UK, would like to turn us into a fascist state and deport or worse England's Muslims. (I do not think there is this feeling in Scotland. The far right has had great difficulty in getting its voice heard here) But that is it. The two things go together. We need to do what British people did before. Look for the genuine reasons in society some people are 'malleable' to choose to identify with people fighting our people rather than with our country - and that likely also involves our wars of aggression in the ME as well as the prejudice and lack of possibilities at home. We knew before that integration was a two way thing. Basu said https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...rism-chief-calls-for-greater-social-inclusion but at last we have someone who is in a position of authority and expected to be the next leader of the Met saying the obvious. I would suggest if the UK wants to avoid moving to the extreme right to fascism, something which this country has always despised, then it needs to make a move of this kind rather than continuing to perpetrate the mythology that it is all the hated extremist religion - a religion which only a short while ago was considered so pathetically passive that that gave the bullies the 'right' to attack people who belonged to it. Obviously this has become a multidimensional thing but I think Basu is hitting the right attitude if we want to resolve this issue and remain a Western Liberal Democracy. It is also worth saying that investigation also needs to be done on the issues which are allowing some to be 'malleable' to the far right. Your opinion?
You have returned with your belief that it is all the hated Muslims religion but that does not address what is in the OP.
Now if you believe I have understood what you were saying incorrectly then please explain your post in connection with the OP. Secondly I suggest you provide evidence of your accusation of racism on me. You appear to be at best attempting to stop discussion of the topic of this thread.
Absolutely nobody but the Ohio and Texas shooter are responsible. What do they have in common? They view violence as a legitimate means of political action. Everyone who abhors violence needs to side against everyone who threatens imminent violence and draw a line in the sand. Doesn't matter that you and I disagree on a lot of things. At the moment all that matters is that we disavow these right and left wing mass shooters in Texas and Ohio respectively.
Steady Pie, read the OP a bit more. It is not about the Ohio and Texas shooters, it is about the UK and in general the attitude which is best in resolving extremism both Islamic and that of the far right.
My apologies I was in a rush on break at work. Still, my comment roughly applies to the situation in the UK. Those who are just offensive are another issue, but those who advocate for or carry out imminent violence, no matter how low level, must be called out by people on all sides who abhor violence. I am happy to stand arm in arm with my leftist brothers, even those I strongly disagree with. The only way we get through this is by not tolerating direct advocacy for violence, and leaving everyone else alone.
So let's see... 1) try to win "hearts and minds" 2) try to appease those who want to kill us How about cull the amount of immigration from "terrorist-producing" countries. That would seem like the most sensible solution for anyone with half a brain.
