Court clears Planned Parenthood, indicts its accusers

What is there to address? There's a trial, and we'll see if they get convicted in a court of law or not. But Molonlobe put the situation in precise context: If this group is in violation of the law for buying body parts and attempting to facilitate the sell, why isn't PP charged for trying to buy the items? The FBI did the same thing with the Portland bomber.

PP isn't on the same grounds as the FBI though, PP shouldn't get to avoid charges on its own criminality. This is the law, in bias protecting something they feel needs to be protected(the PP Organization in this case)

 

Oh, the irony.

The whole world is laughing at the fools who cannot face reality. The GOP leadership should be hanging their heads in shame right now. Their credibility is zip.

 

Oh, and furthermore, I suggest that unless you (personally) know a molestation survivor you keep your cracks about what "you would do/feel" because after what you said it's obvious you don't know sh,t about it. Better yet, do some research and see what you find out, mkay?

 

Good luck with your crusade.

Margaret Sanger was disgusting but Paul Hill is A-OK in your book, right?

 

Thank you.

 

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Thanks for your opinion, for what it's worth. This is about a lawsuit, period. A person's belief or non belief in abortion has no standing on this issue. Stick to the topic. The Grand Jury is not finished on this. More indictments are likely. Mind you, this is just criminal court. Then PP will start a civil suit for monetary damages.

 

Let's just say the convenience on a topic of abortion that someone who cries they were raped at 11 and therefore it should be their chooiiiiiiiiice! Is too good to be true lol.
I'm not directly accusing this person, but I'm not going to put all my eggs in the basket of her story(and her story's irrelevant IMO to the support or non-support of Abortion.)

It's an emotional argument, which most people don't accept because emotion is devoid of logic.

 

Now it's a lawsuit? I thought it was an indictment. PP should be indicted for participating in the sell. The non-indictment isn't about whether PP did right or wrong(of course they did wrong.) The Grand Jury just CHOSE not to indict. This is like a abortion version of the Tamir Rice case IMO.

 

Two points: 1), indictment is a far cry from a conviction, 2) I seem to remember "... indict a ham sandwich" cropping up among liberal - why has that suddenly been jettisoned?

 

Here's a thought: if you know it's an emotional topic then you don't EFFING accuse (even vaguely) someone of lying....especially when it's about being molested or raped. Thats a jackass move. Then you went further and said it wasn't rape? Huge jackass move #2. Annnd you questioned the reporting of it. Another jackass move. THEN you tried to hand out advice????? Do you know how big a slap that is???

Now, I'm sure someone will report me for this but it needed to be said. I didn't call you a jackass...I said you made some jackass moves.

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For the last time: they were discussing a transporting fee.

 

I don't even know the guy, I can't be bothered to know every illiterate that America has borne into society. I'd be too overwhelmed .

 

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Can't read? Cut the semantical crap. You are not good at it. Keep your abortion narratives out of this. Stick to the facts of the posted article. This is listed under "Current Events", not abortion.

 

Here, I'll help ya out AN:


http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/molested-child-promiscuous-adult

 

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I didn't deny it was rape, I said her abuser was also a pedophile(Presuming of course I accept the story. And it's her own fault for speaking about her story on an INTERNET message board. I'm sorry if I sound heartless, but when it comes to intellectualism that's what I am: Intellectually heartless.). You may feel free to call me a jackass, being jackasses to Liberals is now a very happy hobby of mine.

Why? Because Liberals are so damned divorced from reality it's actually quite sad . And no, they weren't discussing a "transporting fee"(even if they were, WHAT are they transporting? Not a box of candy.) A proposed purchase was going to take its place, and whether a group criminally sold those parts or not, doesn't make PP's purchases any more or less invalid(which is what they are).

If Law's consistent, PP should also be indicted. Clearly the law's not consistent.

 

I don't care if she hired a skywriter and had it spelled out over Madison Square Garden.....it's straight up rude and mean to treat her like that. Did it ever occur to you that that kind of sh!t is EXACTLY why many such things aren't reported to authorities? How'd you like to be her (or anyone survivor of a sick(*)(*)(*)(*)) and sit there and share such a painful thing and have it tossed back in your face as a (convenient) lie? Not very nice to feel, huh?

 

That's what happens when you say things out of context. Share it with authorities? Sure(I hope she did.). But sharing it with random strangers over the internet? Over a topic in which the point is obviously contrived to make a statement? Forgive me for being dubious . Like I said, even if the story was true, she did it to win brownie points.

I'm just not the type to give brownie points. This isn't The View, this is Political Forum .

 

You. Don't. Know. That. For. Certain. Do. You?
(Sigh) Cant you just zip it and leave her (via me) alone about it?

 

Probably, the grand jury refused to indict PP because the investigation is still on going. They had proof that the video makers violated some kind of privacy law about secret recordings. That case is done for them.

 

-_-, you started the whole conversation! And she started it by bringing it up(Which I hopefully now taught her the lesson of disclosure. Certain things you don't let out into the free web to be scrutinized.) And I can be pretty sure this is probably one of the only times she brought it up, used in the clear context of a sob story.

And while my sympathy is garnered as it regards a human violation, it doesn't in any way change my position nor is it relevant to my position on abortion. Where you Dems are divorced from reality is where you think this emotionalism contrives as an actual argument. Libs aren't that much different from Trump, just different sensitive topics .

But sure, we'll leave it alone. Again, considering you propped it up I could care less

 

Here is the ACTUAL FRAKKING LAW:


Texas Statutes - Section 48.02: PROHIBITION OF THE PURCHASE AND SALE OF HUMAN ORGANS

(a) "Human organ" means the human kidney, liver, heart, lung, pancreas, eye, bone, skin, fetal tissue, or any other human organ or tissue, but does not include hair or blood, blood components (including plasma), blood derivatives, or blood reagents.

(b) A person commits an offense if he or she knowingly or intentionally offers to buy, offers to sell, acquires, receives, sells, or otherwise transfers any human organ for valuable consideration.

(c) It is an exception to the application of this section that the valuable consideration is: (1) a fee paid to a physician or to other medical personnel for services rendered in the usual course of medical practice or a fee paid for hospital or other clinical services; (2) reimbursement of legal or medical expenses incurred for the benefit of the ultimate receiver of the organ; or (3) reimbursement of expenses of travel, housing, and lost wages incurred by the donor of a human organ in connection with the donation of the organ.

(d) A violation of this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

Added by Acts 1985, 69th Leg., ch. 40, Sec. 1, eff. Aug. 26, 1985. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.

So, the grand jury looked at the tapes, looked at PP's records, talked to witnesses, and came to the simple and obvious conclusion - the lying propagandist who solicited fetal organs under false pretenses needed to be charged under Section b of the statute, and PP was completely compliant and guiltless of wrongdoing under Section c, Clauses 1 and 2. David Daleiden had no foundation that actually used the fetal materials he was soliciting for "medical research." In fact, his "research company" was a complete scam for the sole purpose of (unsuccessfully) tricking PP employees into saying something incriminating. The irony that the only person caught on tape saying anything incriminating was the person actually stupid and arrogant enough to make the "entrapment" tape to begin with is just icing on the cake.

The law worked EXACTLY the way it was supposed to work, the way the legislators who wrote it and the governor who signed it INTENDED it to work. I know it sucks to have Reich-wing blinders that prevent even that little bit of pure logic through, but hey - whatcha gonna do? We must all learn to work within our limits...

 

Actually, it was a direct misinterpretation of the Section C Clause. We know full well, it wasn't a "fee paid to a physician or to other medical personnel for services rendered in the usual course of medical practice or a fee paid for hospital or other clinical services" We also know it wasn't "reimbursement of legal or medical expenses incurred for the benefit of the ultimate receiver of the organ" And we know it definitely wasn't: " reimbursement of expenses of travel, housing, and lost wages incurred by the donor of a human organ in connection with the donation of the organ."

If someone is going to literally try to argue that PP soliciting the sells was for the reimbursement of expenses, I have a HUGE LOL to give you. Even if the act itself was illegal, the PP representatives fully went ahead with it, despite their dubious claims after the fact that "we're not in it for money" even though they stated just that on the tapes, specifically bemoaning the costs of their operations.

I'd have a field day as a prosecutor, The Jury (*)(*)(*)(*)ed this up.

 

It's terrible when some people have to make up lies. I'm glad the two activists were indicted.

 

Sounds like a huge portion of the republican platform, doesn't it?

 

LMAO...Couldn't happen to a better bunch of people.
Screw those lying bigots and their criminal antics.
But don't expect the right-wingers to apologize.
They will just double down on their support for extremist crimes done by their side.