Covid-19 is here to stay

Yes. I think this is seriously unfortunate too.

I strongly doubt we could get to the point where all the aspects of data collection would be the same. For instance, there are more than one tests for COVID, there are places which have access to none of them, etc. And, our administration has ZERO interest in a world wide approach, obviously, as Trump pushes for the world wide effort to END.

This administration does not see a scientific or data related approach as being of any interest, obviously.

But, what we have now is good enough to examine the important factors in gauging our response.

I'd also point out that testing is the single largest hole in our strategy for opening our economy.

And, this administration is defunding and divorcing itself from any attempt to improve our pathetic testing capability.

 

Maybe you're referring to someone else.

The view I've been pointing to is that case count is a better gauge of progress.

There are various factors that can affect death count. And, COVID is responsible for several forms of serious permanent damage - making death is NOT the only reason to treat COVID as a very serious threat.

However, comparisons with Europe (for example) are so dramatic that pretty much ANY measure you want to choose leaves us with the same bottom line.

We are dramatically failing at controlling COVID, and it is cleraly NOT necessary.

 

Sure let’s shut everything down until there is absolutely no threat from this virus. That could be years and some “experts” are saying that a vaccine might not even protect us. The economy is an illusion and food and shelter are also illusory. Government does not require tax revenue and people don’t need money to buy basic necessities. We may be open to the elements or not have enough food to eat but we could maybe possibly be safe from infection from c-19.

 

There is a plan for opening our economy that was created by politicians in this administration, CDC and with the consultation of business executives.

That plan is on whitehouse.gov.

The catch is that it is not getting the support of this administration. In fact, this administration is attacking the elements of that plan on a daily basis - demanding a REDUCTION in data, bailig out on any support for adequate testing, attacking the CDC, ignoring the success seen in NY, NJ and other places, etc.

But, that plan (or close variants) IS what a good number of states are attempting to do, even though the required materials (such as tests) are not available in nearly adequate numbers.


Anyway, please note that in the end your sarastic post reflects pretty much everyone's concern.

And there are a LOT of Americans who are working to effect a safe recovery with the help of medical science - even in the face of federal level opposition.

 

Yes if this were the Spanish flu then the reaction might be warranted as it affected every age demographic and killed in much much larger numbers but this is a very very minor version of that. The overreaction is appalling!

 

Well, there are just too many dead to agree with you on that.

Plus let's not forget that death is NOT the only permanent damage done to the human body by this disease - a factor that flu just doesn't include.

Beyond that, we're losing medical staff due to them reducing the death count by sacrificing their own exposure. I don't know what the rate is today, but in April nearly 20% of the deaths were health care workers and first responders.

Downplaying this pandemic is equivalent to disrespecting the lives of troops in a time of war.

When I look at the success in Europe, when hospitals in significant cities are full and when they are renting refer trucks to store the bodies, I can't read your post and believe that you care about America.

 

I was almost certainly exposed in Amsterdam in early March. Hacking cough for five weeks after spending too much time with coughing Italians. What’s done is done. In spite of the gloom and doomers who think you can catch this over and over again I’m not worried about it as I can’t think of another virus where this is the case. Optimism is also approved medical advice.

 

There have been only two strains of SARS in the human populatin - this one and one that had far less impact some years back.

There has never been a vaccine created for a SARS type of virus, and SARS is different enough to require a different approach that has been used against flu etc.

More importantly, all you are considering is YOU!!

What makes you think it is all about you?

 

Because I think I’m pretty representative of the population in my risk of catching the virus.

Many are testing positive but have shown no symptoms at all. Had I known about the virus then I would consider what I had a merely irritating life event.

 

I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest that strength of symptomes is an indicator of ability to spread the disease.

And, the whether an individual believes they are at lower risk is also totally irrelevant.

It's great that you appear not to have had serious symptoms and that you may have dodged permanent damage to your heart, other organs, lungs and brain.

But, that is not the experience of everyone who is getting infected by themselves or other ignoring the recommendations of medical science.

As long as our case load an hospital load is high, your objective of having an open ecoomy is not going to be met.

I want our economy open. So, I lobby for following medical advice, including personal behavior as well as movement by our various levels of government.

I know a lot of people find it easier to go the surrender monkey route. But, that is not going to get us where we need to go.

 

Hiding in our houses and shuttering businesses will only drag this out.

 

That's not what medical science says.

The plan proposed by experts in contagious disease in general and COVID in particular created a plan for opening our economy.

It's on whitehouse.gov.

So far, it appers a good percentage of America is more in favor of surrender.

 

If it’s a US government plan then it has to work.

 

At least the last remaining third of America (who still support Trump) have been give the OK to wear a mask.

That has to help.

 

Anyone who says they know that for sure is an idiot and/or a liar. There's simply not enough data and there will not be enough data to confidently make that determination for years.

Prepare for the worst but hope for the best.

 

Did Trump outlaw the wearing of masks at some point. I didn’t keep up with US news as carefully as I should have. Sounds like a big story.

 

Trump was the leader of the "anti-maskers".

Now, apparently (after several months of disgracing his office, by refusing to wear one) somebody finally got through to him:

President Donald Trump tweeted an image of himself wearing a face mask and indirectly called the act "patriotic" on Monday -- a clear pivot away from his earlier reluctance to wear a facial covering in public.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/20/politics/donald-trump-mask-tweet/index.html

 

He refused to be concerned about the US shortage of masks.

He has made his refusal to wear one a prominent feature.

He loudly lobbies against the CDC, individual states and any other body that promotes the use of masks - or requires their useage.

He wrote an executive order that frees corporations from ANY responsibility for hard done by corporations not following medical science - basically ending OSHA and CDC created guidelines.

I think there are people who see Trump as their leader!

I KNOW! It's shocking!

 

Trump probably noticed that he's getting creamed in the polls on his abject failure against COVID.

A TV spot does NOT fix his failed direction.

 

I heard somewhere that people can, in many cases, form their own opinions.

 

It’s too bad that Americans will not have the choice to vote against him in November.

All Americans can do is gripe endlessly and watch out for the blue helicopters that will abduct anyone who criticizes Trump.

There is great sadness in the realm!

 

It is (obviously) too little/too late for Trump.

He is headed to a Massive Defeat,

 

Very TRUE.

That is why Trump is headed toward a Massive Electoral Defeat.

 

Time will tell.
He polled behind Clinton in 2016, it should be remembered.

 

There were some decidedly different factors at that time.

Trump actually worked to gain votes from outside his base.

Today, he orders federal troops to take off identification and kidnamp kids around the city of Portland, where they have NO BUSINESS being.

Are right wingers really going to ignore federal troops attacking the populace??

Today, he abandons those of TX, FL, AZ as their hospitals overflow., claiming garbage like there was too much testing.

Today, he makes it crystal clear that he is a racist.

I don't see anything Trump is doing that could make him any more popular in November - which was not true last time.

He WILL attack our ability to vote. He's already stated that.