Covid-19 is here to stay

And even that number is conflated with presumed deaths and deaths of positively tested people who have died from things totally unrelated to the infection. The science here is so sloppy, if I wrote a paper on it as a graduate thesis outside of the politics on this thing I would not receive even a master’s degree.
And I’ve calculated 7 or 8 out of 100,000 dead for the entire planet so we as a species should probably be not be extinct until way after the new year if climate change doesn’t get us first.
We need new crises to worry about!

 

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You aren't even looking at the stats that indicate how Europe is doing today.

This IS one of the problems we face.

 

Like the guy that crashed his motorcycle on the highway being labeled as a COVID death?

 

The good news is that it is spreading through all populations allowing for immune systems to respond.
The wave is crashing through the states now and soon enough of that population will have been exposed.
This is hardly the Spanish flu and hopefully exposure to this strain may give us some protection if a serious strain of this virus comes along.

 

The news is that we are FAILING to control COVID19 where others are SUCCEEDING.

And, we aren't doing anything about that.

 

Yep him and the drug overdose guy and the alcohol poisoning guy and the guy who split his head open and died and likely lots of others. It’s like if I went to the doctor and was diagnosed with strep throat and had a fatal car crash on the way home and the cause of death was given as strep throat.

Someone actually tried to justify this classification of death saying that nobody actually dies of COVID-19 bit of things like respiratory collapse.

It’s fun to play with semantics

 

Cite please.

Or is this just you claiming you know better than the entire world of medical science?

 

Anecdotal evidence is an oxymoron.

But, your article is seriously important.

FL is surely the worst state in the union concerning reporting. KA is pretty darn bad, as they don't even make daily reports - let alone failure to make full reports of test results, etc.

There is an article in the NYT today pointing out that overall, we're doing an incredibly poor job of reporting important data.

Another aspect of test reports is that it is unknown how old the results are when they are reported.

The significant reason for testing the public as pointed out in the plan for opening our economy on whitehouse.gov is so that contact tracing can be done. The idea is that prompt testing and results reporting can lead to methods of slowing the disease transmission rate.

But, test results are often delayed by many days - making contact tracing difficult at best and also way to late to be very effective.

The problem here isn't fake news - it's late or absent news.

But, that isn't a source of error in the number of confirmed cases of COVID that is significant enough to invalidate what we know from the totality of reporting.


I'd point out that Trump is NOT INTERESTED in data. He pushes for LESS data. And, that's clearly just a hope and a prayer that COVID is susceptible to IGNORANCE - which world data shows is not the case, as if there is any question.

 

Again, that is what YOU say.

It is not what medical science is saying.

 

I explained it already to the poster.

I even gave numbers. I guess he ignored.

 

I've heard that the reimbursements are more generous for COVID cause of deaths.

 

Yes, I’ve heard that hospitals get more money if they record deaths as c-19 deaths but it’s an extraordinary claim for which I cannot yet find reliable citation. Also if it is true then there has to be political pressure to mine these numbers for some reason. If it is found to be true, I hope there are prosecutions.

As I often quote, if one is looking for looking for motivations, follow the money.

 

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Claim: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators
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Thank you. I would like to digest this.
On a larger issue what I can’t understand is how anyone could be counted as a c-19 death without clear positive testing. Blood can certainly be tested post mortem.

 

Are you afraid of something?

 

George Floyd died on May 25. Referring to Post#80 with the graph, the rise in Covid19 appears to correspond with the rise of antifa and blm rioting.

 

This is a DEBATE Forum and not a message-board for Fox News clips.

When you have summoned the courage to make a cogently debatable remark then please do so ...

 

Pure coincidence, if you were trying to make a far-fetched argument that both Covid and rioting were somehow related in the US.

We have had, here in Europe, both Covid-19 deaths and some male bad-behaviour. But linking the two is ridiculous. Americans are rioting during a raging pandemic. But the reason for the rioting is because Donald Dork has sent troops to certain cities to break up anti-Trump demonstrations.

Which is evidential of the measures once employed by the Nazis to control crowds!

In Europe we "locked-down" as of February - which did not stop the infection but reduced its numbers. Donald Dork refused to do the same. (Evidently he was thinking of his Hotel Business at the time?)

The result being that far more deaths incurred in the US than in a similar economic entity called the European Union (EU).

See comparative statistics here. Note that the US population death-rates are far higher though, in fact, the EU has a population half again as much larger than the US!

And the consequences have been glaring. Dumb is as dumb does ...

 

There seems to be an almost religious belief that lockdowns brought down the case and death rates. Were that true then there should be a much greater correlation between the level of lockdown and the rate of spread. There was a heavy lockdown in Belgium and a much lighter lockdown in the Netherlands and one would have expected that it would be the Netherlands much harder hit but it was the other way around. One could also mention Japan which closed down nearly nothing.

The fact is of course that in Asia and Europe nearly everyone has been exposed and that exposure is now occurring in the US.

 

Messaging to the public has to be simplified. There are a number of ways to bend the curve. Most of the other ones wouldn't work here. Singapore used Big Data, but that level of surveillance would not be tolerated here.

A number of cultures have taken advantage of the cooperative nature of their cultures. Definitely not happening here..

You're in over your head...

 

Sorry that should have read there should be more of a correlation between lockdowns and the rates of cases and deaths.

 

Don't make the mistake that most people make - they think America is a country but so is Belgium, or Italy, or France. They are NOT COMPARABLE ECONOMICALLY with the US.

Still, as regards that sentence above in red? About the lockdowns. That is exactly where Europe is going, but this time the lockdowns are not national in nature but sectoral. That is, only parts of a country go back into lockdown.

People in crowds and shops are wearing their masks ... !



Only the total EU numbers are comparable with the US due to similar (but clearly not the same) population sizes and also economies.

 

I don’t understand why we are speaking of economics. My point was that if lockdowns are effective then one would logically assume that the greater the lockdown, the greater the success against c-19 cases and deaths. Here in the Netherlands I was always able to shop and even to go to say Burger King if I did take out. The Netherlands chose a much less draconian approach which they called intelligent lockdown. The purpose was to slowly expose people and it was successful in that it never believed in the fiction that people could hide from exposure. Belgium chose the more stark lock em all down approach and they fared much much worse. The Netherlands never even shut their borders even though Noord Brabant was the hardest hit area and bordered Belgium

 

That's a sad indictment of the US.

But nonetheless true. We Yanks have gone bonkers over muney-muney-muney. Who's go the most muney! As if it were a sports-game!!!

It isn't! It is central to the nature of the economy and thus the country as a whole. And yet, as a people, we simply do not GIVE-A-DAMN about Income Disparity! (Definition from here: Income inequality is an extreme disparity of income distributions with a high concentration of income usually in the hands of a small percentage of a population. When income inequality occurs there is a large gap between the wealth of one population segment compared to another.)

Why is it important economically? Well, for one reason, just look how prisons are bursting at the seams because they are full of crooks from very low-income families!

Do we want to make America a decent place to live? If so, we must stop this fixation we have for high-income. It is key to our social-structure that income be different amongst us - but not WILDLY DIFFERENT!

And if it is wildly-different amongst us then that's the fault of upper-income taxation that started its drastic decent downward with Reckless Ronnie in the 1980s!

The consequence of which is shown in this comparative chart here: Taxation

The variations are substantially different, but what we notice is that both the US and the UK have the highest generation of personal wealth resulting in obvious inequality.

Meaning what? Meaning if you want a lot more tax-money coming back to you instead of going off to causes that are not critical today (like a war) then we must turn on a dime and assure that both National Health Care and Post-secondary Education (all levels) are assumed as key necessities.

Whereas today we are spilling 50% of all expenditure into one place - the DOD! See here:


So, now, YOU tell me where's the threat of war that justifies the above idiocy! And why aren't we spending more of OUR TAX DOLLARS on services that Americans need most. Like Healthcare and Tertiary-education!!!

 

It’s a tricky slope between taking money from the wealthy and still providing an incentive to invest. I’ve always been a fan of a flat tax but that is hated equally by the rich and poor. The Netherlands has done a good job balancing the two I think
To me the success of an economic system lies somewhere between how successful it’s citizens feel it to be and it’s homeless population. Over 30 thousand in Los Angeles alone!! That is not a success story.