COVID Death Toll Under Biden Set to Surpass Trump, In Less Time

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  1. edthecynic

    edthecynic Well-Known Member

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    You are still losing.
    Bless your little heart.

    "a patient is considered medically recovered from COVID-19 after antibodies fighting the infection have successfully contained the virus, preventing the virus from replicating and supporting recovery. When they have no long-term health effects or disabilities, they are considered recovered."

    A case is considered active until the patient dies or recovers!!!!
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    YOU brought up votes and likes.... no one else... you were shamed and you can't take it.
    Bless your little heart.
     
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    edthecynic Well-Known Member

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    Not quite!
    Remember this?
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not quite!
    Remember this? ""It seems they have with my posts getting more "likes" than your's.""

    YOU brought up votes and likes.... no one else...Bless your little heart.
     
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    Yeesh.

    Of course right below that it says...."Defining that in data, Duszynski said, is more challenging. Some health agencies are more cautious than others in defining a recovered patient."

    ...and that is where things get confusing and is different in every country as the article explains. I took that one step further, and pointed you to the text where it describes how they do it in the United States, which "defines it in data" as

    ... "...COVID-19 dashboard recognizes the challenge that exists with active and recovered cases, attempting to estimate these numbers, as the researchers behind the dashboard believe it is a “more important metric to track than Confirmed cases. An algorithm designed to fill the gaps of recovered cases uses a median time from onset from COVID-19 to recovery for patients with mild cases as approximately two weeks, and three to six weeks for patients with more severe symptoms — with 81% of cases estimated as mild to moderate, 14% as severe, and 5% as critical. "
    https://www.devex.com/news/what-you-need-to-know-about-active-and-recovered-covid-19-cases-98525


    Therein lies your answer. As clearly stated, they use an algorithm to make that estimation. That algorithm assigns 2 weeks for mild cases, and up to 6 weeks for the most severe cases. But I have already pointed that out. Just because you several posts later pretend that text does not exist changes nothing. Hence I opted out and said let the reader decide. It is obvious that you are more interested in petty bickering than an honest debate, which is why I am not bothering to continue arguing with you. Thery say not to argue with the village idiot because no one will be able to tell you apart, hence I will not continue bickering with you endlessly.
     
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    Of course that came AFTER the quote I cited.
    Bless your little heart.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    YOU brought up votes and likes.... no one else...Bless your little heart. No matter how hard you try to spin someone else's words....
     
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    And there you go again, taking your butchered quote out of context and PONTIFICATING your own made up pure HOGWASH.
    Gee I wonder what the parts you edited out say? Could it say that it is the University of Virginia, and NOT the USA as you dishonestly claim, that use the 2 to 6 week metric that no other country, not even the USA has adopted!!!!!

    Here is the unedited IN CONTEXT quote from your own link:
    Filling the gaps
    The University of Virginia’s COVID-19 dashboard recognizes the challenge that exists with active and recovered cases, attempting to estimate these numbers, as the researchers behind the dashboard believe it is a “more important metric to track than Confirmed cases.”

    Now back up your false claim that the USA, or any other country in the world for that matter, has adopted the UoV dashboard as the standard for active cases with a link saying so!!!
     
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    Did you show where the generic definition that you presented is adopted as universal Covid numbers? Of course not, yet you want to hold me to a standard you do not hold yourself.

    These aggregators are collecting their data from local governments. I could show you multiple links from multiple local governments that show where they estimate this number and most use some form of when a person is no longer infectious they are no longer counted as active cases, but that would not be adequate for you, so what is the point? You apparently are living under this delusion that there are people tracking 9 million plus individual cases rather than an estimate. I cannot save you from your ignorance.

    If you are too ignorant to understand that nobody is tracking every individual patient and recording on some database as to whether an individual is a long hauler, then you will never grasp this concept. Hence I have said numerous times, let the reader decide whom has made a more convincing argument. Be an adult and please move on. This is entering stalker territory, and this topic is so ridiculously tangential to the actual topic that it makes no sense to spend this much time on it. You are trying to argue that the active case rolls currently are somehow attributable to Trump from almost a year ago. LOL.....get a life.
     
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    More pure HOGWASH!
    You didn't because you can't, so you dishonestly blame your failure on me.
    you also did not address your dishonest editing!
     
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    Did you show where your generic definition is being applied anywhere on any dashboard? No? Why not?
     
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    Folks on the right, particularly McCarthy and Barrasso, are having a field day with this new information. The problem is that they criticize Biden on one hand, then fight him tooth and nail when he puts any measures in place. They don't like any of his solutions and rail against them daily. The folks on the right didn't like Trump's actions because, for the most part, there wasn't any. Now we have a POTUS who is trying to take action and meets pushback.
     
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    telling the people covid is nothing, while selling your stock cause you know covid is something based on insider information

    if you or I did that, it would be a crime
     
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    The definition came from YOUR OWN link, if it was good enough for you then, then why is it suddenly no longer good enough for you now that I posted it unedited?????
     
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    So since it came from my link you do not have to establish that the generic definition is being used on dashboards, but I do?

    Just move on. You are wasting bandwidth and time. Your gross ignorance is not my emergency.
     
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    How about pushing a vaccine on kids that does not appear to stop a virus but nets a company millions that you have invested in?
     
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    Yes, YOU made the false claim that the USA had adopted the U of V dashboard, not me, so the burden of proof is on YOU!
     
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    You think that there are people that are tracking the movements of a running total of millions of people including over 9 million currently as opposed to them using an estimate. Apparently you think that people must check in with the dashboard when all symptoms have disappeared.

    LOL. Your ignorance is not my emergency.
     
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    What experts?

    What part of the world handled covid well?
     
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    the world followed the USA, cause normally we handle it well, Trump failed us
     
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    Again no proof to back up your false claim, only personal attacks on my intelligence, a sure sign even you know you lost this debate badly!
    Thank you.
     
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    Not an attack on your intelligence even remotely. Calling you ignorant is an attack on your knowledge of the subject matter being discussed, and that is a direct response to your obviously mistaken beliefs about how these dashboards track cases.

    You think that there are people that are tracking the movements of a running total of millions of people including over 9 million currently as opposed to them using an estimate. Apparently you think that people must check in with the dashboard when all symptoms have disappeared.

    LOL. Your ignorance is not my emergency. I am happy to let the reader decide for themselves, but you seem to keep trying for another bite at the apple. There is not much else to say on the subject, but oddly, I suspect you will persist regardless.
     
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