Critical Threats: Al Houthis

So what ... this does not change the fact that they were sending money to Al Qaeda until after 911 and really did not start to act against Al Qaeda until Al Qaeda attacked the KSA in 2003.

As usual - when it comes to your beloved Saud - you are in denial.

 

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The Houthis are a minority even among the Shia in Yemen.. Sunni make up about 58% of the population with 42 % being Shia. But, not all Shia are Houthis which are Zaidi.. and it seems to me that the Zaidi are closer to Sunni beliefs than the average Shia.

I don't know why they are so keen to destroy Yemen. 500 factories closed over 5 years ago.. The small oil industry is in shambles, people are starving .. They have little clean water, yet the Houthis fight on attacking the Saudis and the Bab al Mandab shipping traffic.

 

Don't you remember Osama Bin Laden's 30 page fatwa in 1996?

One of his goals with regard to the 9-11 attack was to cause the US to attack Saudi Arabia.

 

It is nothing new for Islamist extremist groups to fight each other. None of this changes the fact that Saudi Arabia was supporting Al Qaeda until 2003. Then of course they started supporting and Arming Al Qaeda/Al Nusra again in Syria in 2012.

 

That's proven to be false.

 

How? Some, the majority in fact, of the 9/11 plotters were FROM Saudi, but that no more involves the KSA than John Gotti being American involves the FBI being behind the Mafia. Do you have anything else?

 

Do you ask questions without doing any research?

This just one of millions that pop up right away.
KSA government had ties to the hijackers and there's evidence to PROVE they knew about 9/11. The fact that you're so supportive of the KSA tells me all I need to know.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/911-lawsuits-judge-rejects-saudi-arabia-motion/

 

Oh, is everyone who supports KSA now in al Qaeda? Let's get right on arresting the Bushes now.

 

The Saudis are not religious extremists.. If you had ever lived there, you'd know that.. One of their strongest cultural values is a civil society.

 

I like your deflection from the fact that it's proven the KSA was involved with 9/11.

 

All Saudi students in the US since 1950 have some level of support from the SAG. Your accusation is just more ignorance and there's lots of that on the internet.

 

It's not my accusation. It's proven the KSA was involved in 9/11. Not surprised to see denial from you. You're a loyal KSA poster.

 

Proven by what, a lawsuit? Anyone with $8 can bring a lawsuit. Your very "proof" admits that most American intell denies KSA had any part.

 

No its never been proven.. That much is an outright lie.

 

Margot. The person who claims religious police have no authority (our previous arguments) to enforce religious law in KSA, the same person who defends the KSA's anti-humanitarianism, is calling ME a liar? I'm deeply offended.

 

The religious police have NO police powers and didn't exist until the Iranian revolution in 1979.

 

LOL then how'd I watch my boss get detained?

There's an entire documentary about this from smuggled footage (because KSA has to approve of the media shown) on Netflix about the KSA's religious police. I even sent you the link last time we debated.

Do you want it again?

Oh wait, it's "fake". LOL

I've been there. I've seen those *******s harassing women.

 

Oh hot damn, a YouTube, well, you win, everything on YouTube is true everybody knows that.

 

Who mentioned youtube? lol reading a problem for you?

This is a documentary!

on Netflix LOL!!!

 

Again, so what? Documentaries have spin and NetFlix isn't the world's arbiter of truth.

The Sauds are the main ruling family in Saudi Arabia (duh) and their personal religion is Wahabism, now Wahabism IS a rather aggressive and fundamentalist form of Islam, and it IS the basis for ISIS but the form followed in Saudi is called "Quietist" They believe no less strongly in their precepts but they look to moral suasion rather than armed struggle to promote them.

Think of Trotsky's World Revolution vs Stalin's Socialism in One Country

My understanding of Saudi is it's like what you'd get if one state here had become independent under the auspices of a particular family who were strongly old school Southern Baptists and Southern Baptists were the ONLY church and the ONLY politics. (not necessarily the only one allowed, my understanding is they have a large Shia minority from oil field immigration, but they were just the only religion THERE as it were) You''d get a lot of really aggressive Christian rhetoric but probably not a lot of out and out terrorism because even more than being religious Southern Baptism believes in a quiet and "moral" life.

Think Mississippi but Muslim

It's stultifying and probably unpleasant for most of us but not flat out oppressive compared to what had been there and they are fairly nice to the few foreigners they let in. A lot like Japanese are with "gaijin"

At least that's my understanding, can anyone clarify this?

 

Show us please how the documentary is not correct.

I myself was stationed in KSA not that long ago. I saw for myself the horrifying religious police as they detained my female boss.

But the KSA die-hards think it's just paradise there. lol

Tell me what's false about the documentary you haven't ever watched.

 

Of course there are some Saudi's who are religious extremists. What a patently absurd comment. Anyone who agrees with Sharia is a religious extremist. Then you have the real nut jobs - the Salafi Jihadists that support ISIS and Al Qaeda - many of which are in fact Saudi.

The nonsense you post is sometimes so absurd - I seriously question your intellectual capacity. Then at other times (on subjects not related to your beloved El Saud) your posts are very articulate and well thought out.

So answer me this one question .. Many of the 911 Terrorists were Saudis ... were these not Religious extremists by your definition ?

 

I didn't say the documentary was false, I said that KSA is probably a rather oppressive and stultifying place by our standards, or anyone's. What it's probably not is a sponsor of worldwide terrorism and almost definitely not behind 9/11.

Though the whole idea of nations "sponsoring " terrorism is a bit of a propaganda ploy so we can slap down nations we don't like. Are we "sponsoring" gangs of violent thieves who happen to base themselves here and steal things overseas? Is any nation actually in control of its criminals?

 

I guess the same scenario with other parts of the world where the majority rules and the minority given less importance, making them radicals and wanted their side be heard, needs addressed, and rights to exist as a significant part of the country be equated with the majority. It's a simple rebellion I guess and they need a wall to lean on to support them with their cause,which they did find in Iran.

 

Why was she detained? I have NEVER in my life heard of an American woman being detained. Was she dressed immodestly?