Cuomo Has Blood On His Hands

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  1. struth

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    Mortality is dropping in NY, and rising in several other states.

    Assuming that's what you meant. It was kinda illegible..

    Of course, it says nothing about Trump. Was that the point?
     
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    Read on.

    3. Patient Placement
    • For patients with COVID-19 or other respiratory infections, evaluate need for hospitalization. If hospitalization is not medically necessary, home care is preferable if the individual’s situation allows.
    • If admitted, place a patient with known or suspected COVID-19 in a single-person room with the door closed. The patient should have a dedicated bathroom.
      • Airborne Infection Isolation Rooms (AIIRs) (See definition of AIIR in appendix) should be reserved for patients who will be undergoing aerosol generating procedures (See Aerosol Generating Procedures Section)
    • As a measure to limit HCP exposure and conserve PPE, facilities could consider designating entire units within the facility, with dedicated HCP, to care for patients with known or suspected COVID-19. Dedicated means that HCP are assigned to care only for these patients during their shift.
      • Determine how staffing needs will be met as the number of patients with known or suspected COVID-19 increases and HCP become ill and are excluded from work.
      • It might not be possible to distinguish patients who have COVID-19 from patients with other respiratory viruses. As such, patients with different respiratory pathogens might be housed on the same unit. However, only patients with the same respiratory pathogen may be housed in the same room. For example, a patient with COVID-19 should ideally not be housed in the same room as a patient with an undiagnosed respiratory infection.
    • Limit transport and movement of the patient outside of the room to medically essential purposes.
      • Consider providing portable x-ray equipment in patient cohort areas to reduce the need for patient transport.
    • To the extent possible, patients with known or suspected COVID-19 should be housed in the same room for the duration of their stay in the facility (e.g., minimize room transfers).
    • Patients should wear a facemask or cloth face covering to contain secretions during transport. If patients cannot tolerate a facemask or cloth face covering or one is not available, they should use tissues to cover their mouth and nose while out of their room.
    • Personnel entering the room should use PPE as described above.
    • Whenever possible, perform procedures/tests in the patient’s room.
    • Once the patient has been discharged or transferred, HCP, including environmental services personnel, should refrain from entering the vacated room until sufficient time has elapsed for enough air changes to remove potentially infectious particles (more information on clearance rates under differing ventilation conditions is available). After this time has elapsed, the room should undergo appropriate cleaning and surface disinfection before it is returned to routine use.
     
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    No he was not the point, the States had to run their own shutdowns and system...they provided guidance, and obviously back up....which he provided NYC, and they barely used.

    He however did not tell NY to knowingly put sick people in old folks homes, which was NY's choice...which lead to a lot of the deaths.

    The Feds will be investigating that though.

    What I mean is, there have been about 99K deaths in the United States, and a 1/3 of all those deaths are directly linked to the actions or inactions of the Dem leadership in NY.
     
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    No where does it say if someone has the virus they have to be brought back to an old folks home. Not "home care"....obviously folks at an old folks home can't follow those order...It was the Gov of NY's order to bring knowingly infected people to old folks homes clearly he did not follow those guidelines... Moreover, those guidles were issued by the CDC on Feb 12, 2020.....before one case happened in NYC...even if he wants to pretend he was following those guidlines, clearly he should have quickly released old folks homes can't follow the "home care" guidelines.
     
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    If Trump had done his job, some of those deaths would not have occurred.

    There are several things Trump could have done differently. One of them was national leadership...

    I have no intention of absolving DeBlasio and Cuomo of their responsibility.

    But they did get with the program, and Trump never did.

    So while I like fiction...
     
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    He did his job....it was national leadership...they were predicting two million plus deaths....we would have far less then we even do know how Cuomo not send knowing sick people into old folks homes.

    I do agree that Trump should never of trusted the Chinese or that the WHO was doing their job.

    How did they get with the program, and trump never did?
     
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    Fact remains, he followed Trump's CDC guidelines. And no he didn't make them come back to nursing homes. They could have gone home if they wanted to.
     
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    What CDC guidelines? Not the ones you have posted that deal with people at HOME....not at NURSING HOME...,moreover nothing in your link could be done at an NURSING HOME, or RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.

    No they couldn't go home if they wanted....they were at NURSING HOMES for a reason.....geez.
     
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    Release of the latest 15-day plan for slowing the spread of the virus came as state and local government officials pleaded with the Trump administration to mount a coordinated response to the pandemic, as millions of workers and students were already hunkering down at home.
     
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    I don't know about NY, but Pa had the same policy and between 60%-80% of Covid deaths were in nursing homes.
     
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    Those are the instructions to HCP (Nursing home).
     
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    Sure. Everybody had the same policy. They still do.
    If we really had enough tests we would test every worker and every patient in nursing homes.
     
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    If a person actually wanted to kill our elderly, they could not have devised a better method than Gov. Cuomo's order, forcing COVID-19 infected patients into nursing homes.
     
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    Not sure what you are trying to say here? He released a 15 day response? Ok....isn't that what they wanted?
     
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    Of all the people that we needed to take the highest level of protections, it would be to ensure patients admitted nursing homes were not infected with the virus.

    That should have been Cuomo's default position. We SHALL NOT allow infected, or suspected infected patients to enter a nursing home population. Instead, Cuomo's order was the exact opposite, His order said known infected patients SHALL be admitted. The result, about 40% of the dead are from nursing homes.
     
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    and the Gov ignored the guidelines, and forced homes to violate the guidelines and take patients even though they couldn't follow them.

    He issued a directive, that violated those guidelines. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...home-forced-take-recovering-patients-n1191811

    The link to the State mandate on that page is now reading this: https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/s...covid19-_nhadmissionsreadmissions_-032520.pdf

    He finally...finally...after thousands of deaths...reversed his mandate and will follow that Feb 12 guideline https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...patients-requires-more-staff-testing/2410533/
     
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    You ask for what he could have done better. I just gave you an example. The states knew there was a problem while Trump was still denying it.
     
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    Cuomo's order said that:

    https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/s...covid19-_nhadmissionsreadmissions_-032520.pdf

    No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19.NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission.

    That is what killed so many of New York's grandparents. Cuomo would not even allow a nursing home to test a patient to see if they had the virus. This is sooooo bad, it's freaking unbelievable, cruel, stupid, ignorant, callous and in my opinion, it was evil.
     
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    Why do you people stick to that?? If Trump was denying the virus was a threat, why did he declare a national emergency Jan 31, ban flights from China, and order quarantine procedures for incoming travelers? Why did Trump create a task force, why did he order so many changes to the FDA regs to address the problems with testing, manufacturing, and treatment??

    Don't say ignorant crap like Trump was denying the virus, it makes you look really silly.

    But whatever, I expect your side to rant about Trump, to try and excuse what Gov. "Granny Killer" Cuomo did.
     
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    Cuomo followed the CDC guidelines. What did you want him to do?
     
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    Yep. And then he hit the campaign trail and went golfing. Leaving NY to get ravaged from Europe.
    But I don't need to rant about it. I have a video.
     
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    Grandma got run over by a mayor.
     
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    People around the country are still following CDC guidelines about nursing homes. Why do you think every week there is another outbreak in a nursing home.
     

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