Debunking the " Far RW Domestic Terrorism" Lie Narrative Quickly and Easily

Its called complacency of plantation. They are conditioned to not give those actions a second though cause unless its their kids or family, why worry about the gangs that control their neighbor hoods? The only thing on the MSM is about a single white guy shooting some place up once every 2-6 months.

 

It flatly contradicts your assertion. And since you excerpted only one paragraph from a lengthly report, and tried to hide that by linking the entire document, leaving the rest of us to sift through the entire document, it's no wonder that I don't believe your assertions regarding where this actually came from.

 

No it doesn't.

So you are doubling down again on the lie that the OP is not my work, with 0 evidence or reasoning backing. OK. You have -0- credibility on this forum for a reason... posting garbage like that.

As with any numerical claim, the first place to look for veracity or lack of it is the data itself. That's in the appendices of the government lobbying paper, which I directed readers to, and is all that is required to debunk the methodology of the paper. If you consider a paper with 21 pages of actual non-appendix content "lengthy" well that's between you and your limitations. Half the paper is Appendix C, an action plan that is not relevant to the topic.

 

Have read your posts, and given their "quality" not surprised a) that you don't know who Don Lemon is, and b) that despite that, knowing nothing about, and adding nothing to the topic, you make a flamebait post anyway.

 

This was predictable.

Trump admin will apparently not renew program to fight domestic terror
The Trump administration had already canceled a grant for a group that fights white supremacist terror.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...t-domestic-terror-n926361?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration, which already canceled a grant for a group that fights white supremacist terror, now appears unwilling to renew the anti-domestic terror program under which it was funded, despite recent high-profile attacks like the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting and data showing a spike in attacks on religious minorities.
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White supremacists are his peeps.

 

1. You posted that if the GAO report was being used to ground arguments about RW Domestic Terrorism, you would agree that use of it is in error. It is being used as such, as you now know, so despite the waffle above, will assume you now agree that it is -out- as a reasonable source for such claims.
2. The same reasoning applies to the West Point paper, which specifically states it is measuring incidence of "political violence" and NOT "RW domestic terrorism." p. 85. So it is -out-. Moreover, that paper has no incident compilation or way to examine whatever data it is using, is informal and not peer-reviewed, very poorly written (vague, verbose and rambling), and interestingly enough goes against the narrative of "increasing RW domestic terrorism" itself p. 100. As a side note, it finds a disproportionately large amount of RW "political violence" in California and NY per capita, and disproportionately less in the Deep South per capita, evidencing against other common LW lie narratives concerning the "Racist, violent South."
3. The Cato paper supports my arguments, and goes against the "rising RW domestic terrorism" narrative.
4. The paper from far left ADL is effectively also a lobbying paper and not any kind of study, is extremely overinclusive of incidents, to the ironic and amusing extent that a large portion of official Israeli government acts as against "Palestinians" would fall under their definition of "RW terrorism."

The fact remains that the deeply flawed GAO paper, as I knew before making this topic, is the primary compilation of supposed acts of "RW domestic terrorism." Debunk it, and the whole rotten lie narrative on "increasing RW domestic terrorism" falls apart.

 

Article title is, as to be expected from Fake News, a gross distortion. The "program" in question is not actually a government program, but a grant program among many specious grant programs started during the Obama Administration (see, for one of many examples, the Solyndra debacle). Such grant programs are most often porky, grafty wastes of taxpayer money, and should be discontinued en masse as not a legitimate function of the federal government.

Taxpayers should applaud the Trump Administration's discontinuance of -any- illegitimate government grant programs, and anyone who tries to position this as some kind of nod to white supremacists is Fake News race-baiting in service of the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex.

 

I still do agree in regards to the GAO paper. My point regarding the politifact article is that they are not making any unequivocal statements about there being significantly more right wing terrorism than other ideologically motivated terrorism. If you read the article they are pretty clear about that. They seem to be using the best evidence available, but none of it fits perfectly.

My opinion, based on the politifact article and the evidence available, is that more research needs to be done in order to determine whether or not right wing terrorism is the most prevalent type in the US.

You are attacking a report that, as far as I can tell, isn't being used in the way you claim. At best your argument seems to confirm that more information is needed.

 

OK, arguendo, if "more research is needed," where does that leave the pervasive claims by the left of "increasing RW domestic terrorism?" and racist statements in Fake News and elsewhere such as (para) "the biggest threat in the country is white men?"

A bare-bones summary of this toxic, divisive LW-Complex Fake News lie narrative and its proliferation is as follows:

1. Start with the public's heightened concern with and fears of global, rogue state-funded, highly organized, large international network criminal acts planned and committed with the specific intent to cause mass fatalities and population-wide fear, planned extensively and committed by completely sane, calculating zealots, premeditated as such over months or even years. Essentially what normal, rational adults think of as "terrorism."
2. Fabricate and patch together a category of various domestic crimes, mostly one-off hate crimes, anti-abortion activism, race-based prison gang recidivist crimes, crimes of passion, crimes of the criminally insane (Roof, Tree of Life), etc., and label those erroneously as "domestic terrorism" for the purpose of CONFLATING those very different types of crimes with the kinds of crimes described in "1."
3. Dishonestly lump all those, with only shaky evidence and reasoning, into a further dishonest subcategory, "RW domestic terrorism."
4. Omit and ignore all or nearly all domestic crimes committed by nonwhites that could be also defined as "domestic terrorism" were the same broad criteria in "2" applied to them.
5. Proclaim throughout LW-Complex MSM Fake News, social media, forums like this, LW blogs, an "alarming" increase in "RW domestic terrorism" despite no convincing evidence of that whatsoever.

That about sum it up?

De-bunked.

 

Hilarious. It was a grant program funded by the government.

"The Obama administration launched the Countering Violent Extremism Grant Program in 2016 to fight domestic terrorism. Managed by the Department of Homeland Security, the program was given $10 million to distribute.

In the last days of the Obama administration, DHS awarded the money to more than two dozen groups around the country to counter violent extremism of all kinds, including right-wing extremism. Data from the Global Terrorism Database shows there was a spike in attacks on American religious organizations in 2016-17."

Keep spinning.

 

Yep, and that's exactly the distortion I exposed in your Fake News headline. An honest headline would read "Trump Will Not Renew Grant Program Aimed at Domestic Extremism."

Debunked the use of "domestic terrorism" directly above and throughout the thread. So the article title is dishonest in two ways 1. Not identifying the program as a grant program. 2. Using the debunked, Fake News term "domestic terrorism."

See how easy it is to be honest, not lie and not be Fake News? Give it a try sometime, good for the soul.

 

A distinction without a difference. Keep spinning.

 

Indeed, in LW land, all words mean the same thing. "Orange Man BAD!"

Thanks for the bump. Gets the word out to more people about my complete debunking of the Fake News "increasing RW domestic terrorism" lie narrative.

 

lol, you funny.

 

In Trumpworld, where critical coverage is always called fake, a program funded by the government
https://www.dhs.gov/publication/countering-violent-extremism-grant-program
isn't a program funded by and therefore controlled by the government.

https://www.dhs.gov/cvegrants

Keep spinning.

 

Hey!

Conservatives and Republicans playing the victim card is cultural appropriation! That's the Liberals and Democrats card!

 

Here's the subtitle...........

"The Trump administration had already canceled a grant for a group that fights white supremacist terror."

When minions like yourself are too lazy to read the substance of the article, in which nothing was misrepresented, it shows exactly what the "fake news" meme is really all about. An attempt to dismiss an inconvenient truth.

 

PolitiFact = Fake Facts

 

Keep spinning a porky, grafty grant program among thousands as "the government" or government action. Keep failing.

Government shouldn't be in the grant business AT ALL. Here's what happens:

http://www.dividedstates.com/list-of-failed-obama-green-energy-solar-companies/

Summary of the above article, a list of Obama Era "green energy" failures costing the taxpayer hundreds of millions if not billions.

Whether the topic is green energy or domestic terrorism, Fake News headlines not acknowledging termination of a GRANT program as such in an attempt to confuse the public that a GOVERNMENT program is being terminated is a LIE with specific intent to deceive the reader. Keep defending lies, not surprised.

 

Belief in the kind of disingenuous tripe you are peddling, hardly the first time for you, has now reached the stage of comedy. The article, and the headline, are quite clear about what the admin is doing. So sorry you don't like what it reveals about Don and your pathetically sad narrative.

 

Nonresponsive.

 

I had to try.