Declining births in the USA threaten the countries future.

If families that were already living here were having trouble affording to have children, that was probably a natural signal that maybe there should have been fewer of them.

I think immigration has only accelerated the decline of American-born babies, putting additional pressures on American families, many of whom were already struggling.

In a way, it's sort of like displacement.

I'm not saying America wouldn't have experienced a population decline if there had been no immigration, but the solution to the problem by bringing in more people has, in some ways, only made the original problem worse.

You look at the younger demographic that is most likely to start forming families (between the ages of about 22 to 32) and that is also the demographic with the lowest incomes and no financial assets saved up yet, the most vulnerable to pressures from immigration.

 

The notion that fertility rates in the United States have been falling because of immigration is quite confused. Populations are falling in all developed countries around the world and now in many developing countries as well. Is this because of immigration? Japan has one of the most drastically declining populations. Because of their high rates of immigration? Of course not. The fact of the matter is that when a country‘s economy matures it becomes more expensive to raise children, and as social morays have changed over time parents have expected to provide for their children and more in different ways that make it difficult to have quite a lot of children.

Younger people today are delaying or for going starting families and even entering into traditional relationships for a number of reasons. More women are choosing to pursue careers and to delay motherhood if they choose to have children at all. Divorce rates in the United States are falling today, but people are getting married later in life. This of course means that those couples will have few were children then might have been the case in earlier generations. To blame declining fertility rates on immigration makes no sense at all upon the slightest reflection.

 

It is illogical to latch onto a topic one may be personally obsessed with and to try and apply that topic to every subject problem crisis or issue in the world. It simply makes no sense.

 

That's true, but Japan is facing additional struggles that the U.S. is not.
For example, they had their big real estate bubble and Recession two decades before the U.S. did.
Then they are a small country in terms of land area and don't have many natural resources of their own and were very dependent on exports to the U.S. When China opened up to the world, Japan had trouble competing with the lower prices.
Because of the relatively small land area, and fact that the population is so concentrated into the city areas, costs of living are also very high in Japan.

Japanese fertility rates would probably be even lower than they are now if they had lots of foreigners from Third World countries jamming into the already crowded cities and driving rent prices higher.
And yes, I have seen videos of Japanese immigration enforcement conducting raids and finding 10 people from some other country jammed into a tiny apartment that's barely big enough for 1 or 2 people by American standards.

 

Actually, the US went to a deep recession before Japan’s prolonged recession begin. Don’t know if you recall the Internet bubble that burst in the US in the 90s or the recession in the 1980s to say nothing of the deep malaise of the 1970s. Economies go through periods of ups and downs, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

And that is the biggest reason for the separation of countries. With separate economies that are self-sustaining, the burden is held and kept by one, and the burden can be fulfilled by one. But in both the EU/US, both continents took burdens that were far too big for its economy to handle and thus the fight to just keep their head above water.

This is also the reason I've wanted to merge the EU/US economies, under US free capital rules(in place of the EU's rules/vat tax.). If the US were to merge with the EU, both would benefit(and America would benefit tremendously.) The US has a substantially healthier model than the EU and thus we have the leverage in such a negotiation.

 

But there is a clear and obvious connection between the two that people are being dismissive of.

 

Yes, I agree. At least fundamentally in theory.
The problem is that both the US and EU have signed into Free Trade zones, so for example the EU could not open up trade with the US without effectively also opening up trade from Mexico. And the US would be opening itself up to trade from Turkey by opening up trade with the EU. That's because sellers in Turkey would just have their products transferred to a country in Europe and sold to the US from there.

Of course it's also true that most of the trade between the US and foreign countries are simply because the wages are so much lower in those other countries.
So while I wouldn't have a problem with free trade between the US and countries in Western Europe, in reality there probably wouldn't be any huge driving force for large amounts of trade. (with the exception of a few specialty goods)

 

No such connection exists outside your personal bias against immigration.

 

Can you explain to me why birth rates in other countries are much higher?

Something interesting I read, the fertility rates of Hispanic immigrants in the U.S. are actually even a little bit HIGHER than the average fertility rates in Mexico.

 

I have already explained to you that birth rates are falling across the globe in most developed countries. In fact birth rates are lower than most of those developed countries them they are in the United States. You are simply obsessing over a pet issue.

 

Fertility rates among Latino immigrants in the United States are falling faster than those of any other demographic group.

 

Because they were so high in the first place. They're still much higher than any other group.

 

Which doesn't really mean a thing. That's kind of like saying the budget deficit has gone down.
But the debt is still increasing!

The population is still increasing, it's just that the rate at which it is increasing has gone down.

 

And? Understanding demographics is about where we are going, not where we are.

 

Why stop thinking there? Keep going...

What eventually happens if the rates continue to decline over time? Come on, you can get this one ...

After you have absorbed that fantastic information, we can start to consider the interesting fact that while people are born, people also die. See where this is going?

 

Declining births in the USA threaten the countries future.

While a declining birth rate may pose a threat to the future of the US, I think a bigger threat to the future is all the racist attitudes and all the hate and discontent I see around me these days.

 

What of Japan? Theyre 98% ethnically Japanese and have attrocious birth rates.

 

As noted by others, Japan has its own very unique set of issues(still our biggest ally though IMO. As a culturalist, I view Japan as our indispensable ally to the West.). In Japan's case, the work culture and the dating scene there(where Japanese men are basically seen as cucks. And it's not a political thing either. It's period lol.) That's why interracial dating has now become a huge thing in Japan and they're kind of concerned about that too.

But the long and short of it, is that European-Western birth declines and Asian/Japanese birth declines are for different reasons.

 

Yeah, the funny thing about interracial dating in Japan is they're theoretically open to it, and women remark how forward and masculine men from other races are (which they like), but when it comes around to it those men don't tend to stick around or have very good fidelity to the women they're with, so in the end not good family material.
If anything, interracial dating is probably lowering the fertility rate in Japan even a little bit more than it otherwise would be, because those women are wasting time.
(And just in case you were wondering, women from non-Asian foreign cultures aren't often interested in Japanese men)

 

some are still reproducing like rabbits

 

I think they are for similar reasons. However, the living situation in Japan is just already more difficult, even without bringing in immigration.
Most of the population in Japan is very urban and the cost of living has traditionally been high.

Maybe another component is Japanese have high expectations, and aren't going to start a family or have children until they feel they can afford it, in contrast to other cultural groups.

 

Today in the USA 10% 0f the live births, at the paltry birth rate, are via in vitro not natural insemination.

 

No, they are for the same reason, just on a different schedule.

 

Empty stereotypes and speculation