Deconstructing Gender War

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  1. Renee

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    Let me use your logic. If someone gets into a Car the potential crash that might follow must be wanted .
    I agree with you people should understand the use of contraception and I agree with you that actions have consequences. A woman who gets pregnant always has the consequence...Yes dealing with the consequences means either having an abortion or letting it develop into a child and having to raise it for the next 18 years
     
  2. ryobi

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    This is why Feminism does not speak for many women.

    Many women love children and want to be mothers and raise those children until adulthood-while Feminists do not value motherhood they value abortion- to such an extent that some feminists wish to get pregnant just to have an abortion.

    Abortion is a badge of honor amongst Feminists.
     
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    Let me guess you’re a man. Yes many women want to be stay at home mothers and thanks to feminists they are protected legally. If daddy decides to split, He doesn’t get to take all his money with him. Women are lucky we have both options to be stay at home moms or to have productive careers. Using your illogic , men do not value their children because you don’t see them wanting to stay home and raise them . Obviously men do not value fatherhood because they also encourage abortion when they cannot probably be responsible. I hope you are joking because nobody could make a statement like some feminist wish to get pregnant just to have an abortion. No one could be that dumb..i guess men like getting women pregnant and taking off..it’s a badge of honor for them lol I’m sure men like getting kicked in the balls because that’s a badge of honor for them
     
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    Oh so you're saying no Feminist has ever wanted to get pregnant to have an abortion???
     
  5. Renee

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    Only a very sick person would want to get pregnant so she could go through the pain of an abortion. It doesn’t even make sense.By the way any woman who has an abortion or has a child and believes in equal rights for women is a feminist.Are you saying that no man stands in front of a horse so it can kick him in the balls so he can brag about it?
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com › arts-and-entertainment › 2016/12/21



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    Dec 21, 2016 - After outrage erupted over Lena Dunham's recent remark that “I still haven't had an abortion, but I wish I had,” the “Girls” star posted a lengthy
     
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    Modern feminism is not an equality movement.

    It is an unaccountability movement.

    Modern Feminisms objective is to absolve women of what little accountability they do have relative to men.
     
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    Nothing to deconstruct....there are two, and only two genders that make up society, maybe a few hermaphrodites'. the rest is just mental disorders.
     
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    It just show you never red about either Cixi of China, Messalina, Elizabeth 2 of Enlgand, Catherine de Medici, Anne-Marie of Austria, Catherine of Russia, the role of Elena Ceausescu. On a more contreversial side, we could speak of the war Aisha led toward Ali among the relatives of Muhmmed. You're just ignorant of history.

    You would be happy to learn there is much more women graduating in college than men, and that most women in 20's or 30's are outearning that men. They have difficulties to find mates, but it's not a real problem. They can still pay a maid and get an IVF.
    About men, most of them are unwilling to die for the comfort of females, and so it's why developped countries has to import desesperate males from poorer countries.

    Anyway, the feminist Sally Miller Gearheat was stating that the proportion of male should be reduced to around 10 % of the world population. Maybe it would be a solution to a better male to female cohabitation.
     
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    Your view of feminism seems to be a cartoonish caricature divorced from reality.
    Prove each point true or they are nothing but empty rhetoric and lies.
     
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    When women are arrested for the same crimes as men they receive over a 60% reduced sentence and that's after being many times less likely to even be prosecuted in the first place after they have been arrested.

    Obviously you have never heard of this gender inequality-most people haven't including many Feminists.

    But I'm sure you have heard of the wage gap-right.

    The wage gap is 22% and the sentencing gap is over 60% and 60% is almost 3 times greater than 22%.

    If feminism is an equality movement and not an unaccountability movement then shouldn't Feminists be working as equally hard on the sentencing gap as they are the wage gap given that the sentencing gap is at least 3 times greater than the wage gap .

    But you don't do you?

    That's because feminists are not working for equality.

    They're working for unaccountability.

    You have never even heard of the sentencing gap.
     
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    As I write this, there are over twenty posts … all of which missed the point of your post.
     
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    Where did this 60% reduced sentence crap come from? Feminists have argued that giving women lighter sentences is infantilizing, based on stereotyping, and incompatible with gender equality.(I can give you the citations if you want)
    Anyway, you have not even attempted to prove your original points have you?
     
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    What original points are you referring to???

    Estimating Gender Disparities in Federal Criminal Cases
    University of Michigan Law and Economics Research Paper, No. 12-018

    41 Pages Posted: 10 Sep 2012 Last revised: 27 Nov 2018

    Sonja B. Starr
    University of Michigan Law School

    Date Written: August 29, 2012

    Abstract
    This paper assesses gender disparities in federal criminal cases. It finds large gender gaps favoring women throughout the sentence length distribution (averaging over 60%), conditional on arrest offense, criminal history, and other pre-charge observables. Female arrestees are also significantly likelier to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted. Prior studies have reported much smaller sentence gaps because they have ignored the role of charging, plea-bargaining, and sentencing fact-finding in producing sentences. Most studies control for endogenous severity measures that result from these earlier discretionary processes and use samples that have been winnowed by them. I avoid these problems by using a linked dataset tracing cases from arrest through sentencing. Using decomposition methods, I show that most sentence disparity arises from decisions at the earlier stages, and use the rich data to investigate causal theories for these gender gaps.



    Keywords: gender disparity, federal criminal cases, conviction rates, incarceration rates, sentencing, discretionary processes

    JEL Classification: K14, K4

    Suggested Citation:

    Starr, Sonja B., Estimating Gender Disparities in Federal Criminal Cases (August 29, 2012). University of Michigan Law and Economics Research Paper, No. 12-018. Available at SSRN: https://ssrn.com/abstract=2144002 or http://dx.doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.2144002
     
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    What original points are you referring to?

    I would like to see your studies.

    ty
     
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    Okay, I tried to read this twice. The first time my mind wandered to; there's a gender war? Not really. Maybe among the radical fringe (as seen here) but the rest of society is moving along with only an occasional hiccup.

    The second time I thought if someone put that much effort into a post at least one person on earth should read it and I chose me.

    So it begins with pollyannaish "we can do better" for several paragraphs and then just as I feel like I'm in church it gets weird. Feminism is the antichrist. It has turned women into "vicious monsters" and we lose touch with reality from there.

    Things calm down a little after that. It's more we can do better and slip in some libertarian economic theory, if good people just chose good people to interact with everything will come up roses. That doesn't really work with human interactions. Lastly he writes a vague cure for the "war" reward the good and punish the bad behavior. Brilliant. How has that worked out so far?
     
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    I think you mistake support for patronization.
     
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    I think you mistake rhetoric for knowledge.
     
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    I speak from experience. I "supported" my feminist girlfriend even though I thought feminism a crock.

    Compare to what a man says when his girlfriend asks "does this dress make me look fat."
     
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    Lol. I heard the exact rhetoric in the 70s. Women are still getting paid less than men for comparable work but it’s definitely getting better. Men are also being a lot more careful when it comes to sexual assaults
     
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    Why would you support your girlfriend if you didn’t believe in women’s equality?I can’t imagine being so insincere to support something I didn’t believe in.
     
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    I wanted her to be happy. Being validated in her beliefs made her so.

    I've noticed a general failure of imagination among leftists. The ironic part is they claim to empathic.
     
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    That is very sad that you had such a dishonest relationship.. Validating something that you didn’t believe in like women’s equality makes you a fake. Left has little imagination? The most creative people with the greatest imagination are on the left.
    But I see what empathy means to you and that is being phony and you can’t understand that people on the left actually feel for others. You are projecting how you think.We are not phonies pretending to believe in the cause… We do believe in it and fight for it
     
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    Shrug. Not only do leftists lack imagination, they are among the most morose people around.


    Yeah, I've seen how you feel about men.
     

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