Democracy - A fragile thing

It was not an example of Democracy, if we had a Democracy then the bottom 51% would be voting themselves free everything and the top 20% would be fleeing the country.

 

The polls show most of the anger being directed at Republicans, and rightly so.

 

Yep best government corporate money can buy. Banking industry and mega corporations own both parties and all three branches of government doesn't matter what initial they place next to their name. Until people accept this reality nothing will change.

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Polls are mostly lies, packaged in a nice formula.

 

That would have to include the polls Tea Party types use as well.

 

A poll is a poll. If they ask a question a certain way they can get an emotional response. If they deliberately approach people who fit a certain characteristic, like purposely going to a neighborhood that is dominated by democrat/republican voters, they can create a misleading dishonest result. Hell they can ask a legitimate question and reinterpret it to their liking to create a completely unrelated result. When you eat chicken do you like white or dark meat? I like white meat could be interpreted to be a racist in a skewed poll, and I like dark meat, could just as easily be interpreted as someone who is sympathetic to immigration reform/amnesty.

If a cop came up to you and asked, do we know what just happened here, and you knew but he didn't, would you be lying to him if you said no? This is the dishonesty that is involved in most of these polls, if they even actually do a sample group at all. Yes I know, the government's corporate media wouldn't lie to us would they? Sadly there are people who follow these polls religiously when they are toted out there, and they are just as gullible as anyone who would believe their party would never lie to them.

 

Well that is all very informative I'm sure; perhaps you should tell that to all the politicians who strategize and make policy decisions based on opinion polls.

 

Oh course, they have been spoon fed the MSM pablum when in fact who was it who refused to negotiate?

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So if there was no outside influence in Congress, let's not forget the liberal causes who spend megabucks, what do you think would be different?

 

Legislators legislate....Political machines shape public opinion. The side with the most influence in the media will always have the polls on their side. Since the main stream broadcast traditional media is left leaning, Democrat politicians have always had the greatest influence. Lately, with the advent of Fox and the right wing radio phenomenon the left has lost some territory in the media.

This translates to a loss of power which is an egregious loss in a party who has enjoyed the largest media blowtorch.

 

Sounds like you watch a lot of FOX News. They are a phenomenon alright, the kind that would have made Goebbles proud.

 

Hilarious that so many Americans are under the mistaken impression that a minority of legislators can dictate policy.

 

The Constitution doesn't seem to be guaranteeing much of anything these days. Or for a long, long time. Bush and the Republicans had it right; "it's a piece of paper."

Btw, every state is a democracy. And the flyover states having as much representation in the Senate as California or New York or Florida ain't gonna last forever.

 

Godwin invoked...You lose....

 

Sometimes they can depends on the make up of the two sides.

 

That is just what it is written upon, but I agree as long as we elect people like Obama who have no respect for it and are not challenged when they violate it..................

The more local you get the more democracy there is but even on the state level in most state the people do not engage in direct control of legislation, it is representative.

Oh yes it will, you'll never get a 3/5's vote from the states to change it. What we do need to change is the 17th amendment by repealing it.

 

Apparently it is guaranteeing you the right to run-down a former President.

Your quote from Bush was hearsay and has been retracted by the author himself.

"The report that Bush "screamed" those words at Republican congressional leaders in November 2005 is unsubstantiated, to put it charitably.

We judge that the odds that the report is accurate hover near zero. It comes from Capitol Hill Blue, a Web site that has a history of relying on phony sources, retracting stories and apologizing to its readers.

Update, Feb. 21, 2011: The author of the Capitol Hill Blue story has now withdrawn it."

Doug Thompson of the 'Capitol Hill Blue' retracted the outlandish claim...



"Doug Thompson: This is to let you know that the piece on Bush and the Constitution has been changed and reads:

"This article was based on sources that we thought, at the time, were reliable. We have since discovered reasons to doubt their veracity. For that reason, this article has been removed from our database."

I no longer stand behind that article or its conclusions and have said so in answers to several recent queries. In addition, I have asked that it be removed from a documentary film."

http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/bush-the-constitution-a-******ned-piece-of-paper/

 

Nobody, and I mean Republican or Democrat, has respect for the Constitution if it doesn't support their angle.

Representative democracy is still democracy. It breaks down at the federal level where representation is unequal and unfair.

I think it could get changed in my lifetime, especially if we have a presidential election where a candidate wins the popular vote overwhelmingly (not the case with Bush v Gore) but still loses the election. It will spill over to the Senate. People aren't going to put up with being under-represented forever.

 

Godwin's so called law cuts both ways, it also provides a phony sanctuary for fascists.

 

Now you've descended into name calling....double fail.

 

Uh-huh, but if I were to use terms like socialist or Marxist to characterize the President that would be different.....wouldn't it.

 

Democracy is just vultures that fight for a carcass (a.k.a the taxpayers money).

 

I have no idea what you specious statement has to do with what I stated but it is clear Obama has no respect for the Constitution by his abuse of power and disregard for the guaranties within it.

It is not A Democracy. The founding fathers were quite in making sure we are NOT a Democracy.

The STATES elect the President and the STATES aren't going to change it because the larger STATES want more power. There is no popular vote for President and the tallies of all the states votes is not such a vote.

 

You have your dates wrong. July 4th was months ago. Do they not celebrate freedom and independence on her birthday anymore?

 

What are you talking about?

 

Who do you think makes up most of the polls, and their results? Two guesses, which two parties are involved?

 

Influence with words or what is right is one thing but when money, favors, gifts, and special entitlements becomes an issue, it is illegal, unethical, and treasonous to a degree. Our lack of holding public officials and their parties accountable, and placing them up on pedestals is how and why they get away with it so blatantly. They are employees, and when they use their position to go against their oath they are criminals and should be treated as such.

Won't happen under the corporate owned two party scam but it should.