Democratic field boils down to four-jackasses race

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  1. Zorro

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    Their priorities are not our priorities.

    CNN’s #ClimateTownHall Does the Nation a Great Service.

    Seriously, if you see all of the above — which is just a sample — and vote for any of these people for any office at any level, it’s on you. If you like Venezuela, voting for any of them will bring you a whole lot of Venezuela.

    Thank you, CNN, just for letting these people talk. Do it again next week? Please?

    And they will! (Although later in the fall, not next week.) CNN, Human Rights Campaign to host Democratic presidential town hall focused on LGBTQ issues.

    I’m not sure though, how many people are watching: “Fox News And MSNBC’s Regular Programming Beat CNN’s Climate Change Town Hall In TV Ratings,” the Daily Caller reports. But for assembling video clips for the GOP, these CNN-DNC town halls are tough to beat:

    Dems at Climate Forum: Ban Everything!:

    Trump War Room’s video showing the Dems’ obsession with being ‘America’s food police’ is something else:

    Even CNN doesn’t believe their own “climate change town hall’s” doomsday rhetoric: CNN Runs Luxury Travel, BBQ Ads During Climate Town Hall.

    All the Democrats have to do is not be crazy, and they can’t even do that.
     
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    so right!
     
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    Trump bum kissers are frenetically wielding their Sharpies to designate more Trumped Zones, but Americans will no be thusly circumscribed.

    Even Texas is finally showing the signs of the progress evident elsewhere:

    The fundamental force that has shaken the GOP’s hold on Texas is that for the first time in decades, voters there are behaving in patterns familiar from other states. Democrats are showing gains in the state’s diverse, well-educated metropolitan areas, even as Republicans retain a crushing lead in small-town, exurban, and rural areas, as well as some suburbs.

    The significant Republican advantage outside of major cities has so far proved decisive in state elections. But the explosive gains for Democrats inside the metropolitan areas—driven by the twin forces exerting influence in other areas of the country, growing diversity and improved performance among college-educated white voters—have put the party within range for the first time in years.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...e-republicans-texas-are-retiring-2020/597406/
     
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    Candidates' aspirational goals abound - repealing ObamaCare immediately and replacing it with "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!" at "less cost!", building a "big, beautiful wall!" and making Mexico pay for it, rebuilding the nation's crumbling infrastructure, reducing the national debt, etc., etc., etc.

    The overwhelming majority of Americans agree that government action to address climate change is needed. The legislative process will determine the exact form that takes.
     
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    Ben Shapiro is just another warmonger who wants to start a war with Iran as soon as is possible.
     
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    Hmm wanna do more than just an accusation?
     
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    here ya go. Shapiro is a good speaker, but if you have any critical thinking skills whatsoever and pay attention most of what he says is complete nonsense.
     
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    I think Tulsi Gabbard would certainly be the clear exception to this statement. There is not one conceivable area that Trump is superior to Tulsi Gabbard. In fact, Tulsi would be the "anti-Trump". There are no intangible qualities that would make Trump superior to Tulsi. There is no level of experience(military or political), gravitas, intelligence, policy understanding, mental and intestinal fortitude, leadership, talent, courage and commitment, or just easier on the eyes, that would ever make Trump superior to Tulsi.

    In a national independent poll in Iowa, Tulsi has polled at 8%. Her message, her genuine authenticity, and her commitment to service above self, is starting to resonate at the grassroot level. No one with more than a few working brain cells, would disagree with stopping all wasteful regime-change wars? No one would disagree with resuming both nuclear treaties, and not restarting a new nuclear cold war? No one would disagree that the trillions of dollars wasted killing people, and fattening the MIC and FFI's, should instead be used to address the urgent social issues at home? No one would disagree with abolishing private prisons and the cash-bail system, re-instating the Glass-Steagall Act, or ending the federal law against the use of Marijuana?

    Trump has clearly demonstrated by not addressing any of these issues, that he is not superior to anyone. He is not superior as a leader, as a politician, and certainly not superior to Tulsi Gabbard. There are two events that I would pay any amount of money to see. A one on one debate between Tulsi and Bernie. And, a one on one debate between Tulsi and Trump. The former would be a battle between a foreign and domestic policy expert, verses a domestic policy expert only. The latter, would be a battle between a mother and a child. Both would be worth the price of admission to see.
     
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    If she wants more gun laws she is inferior to Trump.

    If she wants to increase taxes she is inferior to Trump.

    If she is in favor of business owners being forced to violate their religious principles she is inferior to Trump.
    If she is pro abortion she is inferior to Trump
    If she will let the rest of the world trample all over us she is inferior to Trump.

    That said i am sure there are plenty of ways on which she is superior to Trump. Especially when it comes to charecter but since she won't be the democratic nomination it doesn't really matter.
     
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    Dems are not going to win in 2020. They have nothing to run on.
     
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    I agree that most humans that are still breathing(and even some not breathing), would be infinitely more superior to this egotistic, narcissistic, sociopathic, misogynistic, cowardly, and bellicose moron. He is simply a spoiled privileged brat, whose business acumens all include the words failure and bankruptcy. I suppose that hiring crooks, gangsters, criminals and thieves, to manage your daddy's money, would be a good idea to most real businessmen? But when you openly brag/spin your failures as smart business, it is just contemptable on any level. Anyone who lacks this level of empathy, can never be superior to anyone.

    Abortion is the extended interpretation of our right to privacy, guaranteed by our constitution. On a moral and social level, no one has the right to decide what any human being should do with their own body. Do you think that there are no rules/controls regarding abortions? Do you even consider the agony many women must face when deciding to have an abortion? Or, the emotional trauma they must face, after having an abortion? Clearly not. Since Trump has been in both camps, the question is mute and irrelevant. However Tulsi is Pro Choice, which means that she leaves the decision up to the mother. This is constitutionally the default position. Therefore, yes, Tulsi is superior to Trump.

    Tulsi wants to extend the gun laws, to include banning the ownership of handguns to anyone with a history of domestic violence. This seems practical and wise to me. Again, yes, Tulsi is superior to Trump.

    Tulsi wants to raise estate tax to the same level they were in 1990. And, to raise inheritance tax for inheritances over $10.8 Million. Tulsi also wants to repeal the "death tax". These action would increase federal revenue and the number of jobs as well. https://www.ontheissues.org/2020/Tulsi_Gabbard_Tax_Reform.htm Again, yes, Tulsi is superior to Trump.

    Tulsi believes in the constitutional separation between church and state. Our religious freedoms shall never infringe/usurp our individual freedoms. If your religion prevents you from serving LGBTQ members, women(chattel), certain races, Jews, certain classes, then be prepared to be sued. This is just segregation/discrimination, under the guise of religious freedom. There are many Theocracies that also preach this extreme level of religious intolerance. But, at least they don't try to hide their bigotry under an "executive order", or religious freedom. Again, yes, Tulsi is superior to Trump.

    Other then our American administration and its troops, being under the control of the Saudis and the Israelis, what other countries do you feel are trampling over us? China? Just more corporate propaganda to incite the ignorant. Tulsi wants to stop all wasteful wars, save trillions of dollars, get money out of politics, defy corporate interests, use "war dividends" to address our urgent social issues, return to both nuclear treaties, and put an end to this new nuclear cold war. Again, yes, Tulsi is superior to Trump. Is this the kind of leader you are happy may not be nominated? Remember, Trump was written off as the nominee in 2016. Tulsi is our only hope for change. I'm not writing her off, because there is no one else left to help us.

    In the eyes of most countries, it is America that is the imperialist aggressor, because of Trump. It is America that has now become the butt of all jokes, because of Trump. It is America that is no longer a nation for good, because of Trump's "America First" rhetoric. Like Tulsi says, "We are all better than this". Just name me one country that has attacked America since WWII? Name me one country that is better off from American intervention policies, since the Korean wars? Do you really think that any country is plotting to attack America? Do you even ask yourself these questions? We are just victims of corporate propaganda, and too stupid to realize it..
     
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    Not going to argue but I'll point out where i disagree.
    1. Right to life outweighs right to privacy IMO

    2. People with domestic violence records are already banned from buying guns.

    3. I oppose all new taxes our government does not need more money, it needs to spend a lot less. Trump of course in no hero on this point.

    4. What you described is not the separation of church and state. It is establishing a religion. Yes! Giving special rights to people based on their sinful activity is an establishment of religion and is the farthest thing from separation of church and state.

    5. We must prevent communist China from becoming the dominant political force on the planet. They have proven that they do not care about human rights. If they are allowed to influence the world in areas other than trade expect another dark ages.

    6. I support Israel and believe they are more victim than villain. But I'll agree with you on Saudi Arabia, we need to put them in their place.

    7. Places that are better off for our involvement. Yes, there is a long list. Most of Africa for example. Vietnam and most of Asia. The involvement of American and western capitalists has bred prosperity all over the world. I'd agree that military intervention has been less successful which i am sure is primarily what you are thinking of but that's not all Americans have been up to.

    Again i have no interest in arguing any of this.
     
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    I also have no interest in arguing with anyone, who only wants to give out their opinions, and not want to defend them. This close-minded view is only an exercise in futility. Just a few glaring inaccuracies

    1. The right to life did not include embryos, plants and animals, at the time of its framing.
    2. Only twenty-nine states and the District of Columbia prohibit the purchase or possession of firearms or ammunition, by at least some people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence offenses https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/who-can-have-a-gun/domestic-violence-firearms/
    3. If we could stop wasting lives and trillions of dollars on illegal wars, there would be no need to increase taxes. The Government is not a living thing. It runs social programs that effect public health, equal treatment, pension programs, affordable education and housing, etc. It is these programs that are funded by our taxes, not the Government.
    4. The government cannot establish or favor any religion. You are free to exercise your religious faith, as long as it doesn't violate the constitutional rights of others.
    5. China is the largest investor in US debt($1.8 Trillion). There is zero evidence that any country on this planet wants to dominate the world. Except the USA.
    6. Israel has violated international laws by occupying Palestinian territories, and have committed many human rights violations. We can't break our ties with the Saudis, since the value of our American dollar is tied to them trading oil in American dollars. If they chose another currency(ruples, renminbi, or euros), our economy will crash. We're screwed.
    7. Viet Nam is a one party dictatorship, and we lost that war remember? What African countries are on that list of American successes? Libya, Ethiopia, Somalia, Mozambique, Tanzania, Burundi, Kenya, Uganda, South Sudan, CAR, Chad, Niger, Ghana, Senegal, Liberia, Burkina Faso, Mauritania, Egypt, and Morocco. Which are the success stories?

    If you are not interested in the truth, then ignorance is truly bliss.
     
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    Uggg...

    1. That's your opinion. Abortion was not mentioned in the constitution and is therefore a states rights issue IMO

    2. Everyone buying a firearm must pass a federal background check. It's federal law not state law. Excluding private sales in some locations.

    3. Wars or not the federal government doesn't need more money.
    4. By giving peope SPECIAL rights based on sexual behavior. They established a religion.
    To have the approval of the state you have to accept homosexuality as natural and good that violates the religion of a great many people. This is an issue on which yhe government should have no stand.

    5. China want's to dominate Hong Kong they wanted to influence all of Asia. Ask Japan what they think.

    6.Israel has been under constant attack from it's neighbors since 1948.

    7. We didn't lose Vietnam we destroyed the Viet Cong then we left due to ill advised political pressure. Then in the mid 90s after decades of failure the Vietnamese government started allowing western investors and market driven concepts to restore their economy.
    Western investment in Kenya has taken people willing to learn and work out of poverty.

    As far as problems with African blame tribalism and radical Islam.
     
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    People lie on polls and dems are going to be in for a real disappointment election night. They still haven't learned.
     
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    I hope you're right, I'm not confident at all. I expect the demd to win and for us to have been pushed into civil war.
     
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    There will be no civil war. Despite the Left's constant yammering, our civil society is strong.
     
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    Lots of people are fed up with the left and there are irreconcilable differences.
     
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    The dems are pushing for a civil war. To be honest, I think red and blue states should be separated. We are just too far apart to coexist.
     
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    But if we did do that, libs will still find a way to try to take over red states. I mean they want to force their beliefs on others no matter how we feel.
     
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    Not by state but by county. Red voters deserve all their land. Blues can gave their stupid cities. Reds living in large states dominated by blue urban areas shouldn't be forced to live under blue domination.
     
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    That's fine. Irreconcilable differences aren't a problem as long as everyone respects each others rights and minds their own business.

    We have a powerful civil society and the broad American Public has a deep sense of fair play. Did you notice that a judge in Deep Blue Boston made it clear that Antifa is NOT welcome in Boston and that those that commit crimes WILL be held to account? He refused to dismiss the charges against the criminals and then threw their smart-mouthed lawyer into jail when she was warned ONCE and then shot off her mouth again in his court.

    And in Portland, that guy that attacked the folks on the bus with a hammer? His bail, in deep blue Oregon? A half a million smackers!

    These clowns mistake our restraint and gentle understanding for weakness, they are getting a message and I bet there are some US Attorneys quietly checking to see if there is a criminal conspiracy behind them, funding and arranging these riots. We may be very restrained, but there is a point. We broke the Klan and much more recently we broke Organized Crime. You think these masked clowns are as tough as the Mafia?
     
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    That's just it, the left doesn't respect our rights. They have 0 respect for the constitution and they are open about it and in fact campaigning on it.
     

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