Democrats Need Blacks Now But Will Flush Them Down the Toilet

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  1. MRogersNhood

    MRogersNhood Banned

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    It's been the same globalist crap since Carter,Reagan after shot,and every single president since.
    That's bad.
    Reagan was not a Globalist and did not trust Bush;Rightfully so.
    However he had Bush foisted on him by the RNC.
     
  2. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fascinating. Did you have anything to comment that is relevant to my post?

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    Of course they did. Or something.
     
  3. MRogersNhood

    MRogersNhood Banned

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    Yep,you're trying to make it Democrat/Republican when really it's Globalist/Not Globalist.
    Carter,Bush1,Bush2,(Throw in Jeb too)Clinton,Obama.Hillary.
    All members of the same club,baby.
     
  4. Johnny-C

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    So you seem to think.

    Regards.
     
  5. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    I got a kick out of how you began your post with "This is both highly unlikely and completely unnecessary..." and then proceeded to basically cut those commercials yourself: KKK Grand Wizard, Nazi, David Duke, Jim Crow, Trump equals racism and xenophobia, White Supremacy/White Nationalism...

    Why exactly do you think those commercials are unnecessary? It seems like you've already started scripting them.
     
  6. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Uh huh.

    The question was:

    Tell us what Republicans have done for blacks in the last three decades.

    Other than scaling back voter rights, putting burdens on their right to vote, fighting against affirmative action, and cutting back programs that provide them with education and jobs and income assistance.


    Your deflection is the answer. Nothing.
     
  7. MRogersNhood

    MRogersNhood Banned

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    Oy Vey.Tell me what the Democrats I listed did for black people?
    Answer:Not a damn thing.
    Why? Because party affiliation doesn't matter that much.Mindset does.
    Reagan did something for black people:He tried to make America better.
     
  8. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not true at all.

    Democrats have fought for and passed anti discrimination laws like the Voting Rights Act, Community Reinvestment Act, Affirmative action, expansion of health (Medicaid, Chip, Obamacare) that provides health care to poorer folks, expanded educational loan and grants to give poorer kids the chance to go to college, and funding to improve lower level education in distressed communities.

    Trump would eliminate (except for small "tidbits") the Department of Education, wiping out grants that millions rely on and funding for teachers and schools, doesn't see the need for affirmative action programs that help redress the discrimination in this country, would eliminate Obamacare that has provided health care coverage to 20 million additional Americans, many lower income, and would appoint conservative Supreme Court justices like those that recently cut back voter right laws and made corporations equivalent to people.

    Not to mention his campaign which has become a rallying point for racist and hate groups.

    Blacks and poorer folks have everything to lose in this election.
     
  9. Lil Mike

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    Blacks are not a Republican constituency.
     
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    The idiot who thinks he can cloak his pathological racist attitudes in a pathetic excuse for an attempt at real dialogue that deals with deep psychological patterns of grandiosity and privilege, is indeed an idiot.

    The transparency of the OP Title is just as glaringly obvious as the transparency of the entire Trump candidacy. Neither one are to be believed by the wise.
     
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    Primus Epic Well-Known Member

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    I am Black and I am a true (genuine) real (original) Conservative. However, I am NOT a modern day Republican. Don't ask me why unless you want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help your god.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly.
     
  13. Lil Mike

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    Hey I'm not arguing that you should be voting Republican.
     
  14. Lil Mike

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    Exactly why this thread is about about Democrats and not Republicans. Why you want to drag Republicans into this issue when Blacks have no promises or expectations from them is a mystery.
     
  15. MRogersNhood

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    How much of that was done in the past 30 years?
    Was it done in the past 30 years? or before that.
    Don't be intellectually dishonest now.
    America doesn't need Affirmative Action.
    Here's why:
    All men are created equal.
    That's why.
    There doesn't need to be hate crime laws.Guess why? All men are created equal.
    Screw that special snowflake garbage.
    I'm not for abolishing grants for students with good GPAs.
    But if you are not college material;You should not be going to college and sucking up grant money and student loans.
    You go on and get you a job.There's nothing wrong with making an honest living.
    I got me a degree and that's what I had to do anyways.
    What did I owe at the end? $1300 bucks? :roflol: Not a problem.
     
  16. vino909

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    Perhaps loosen the overwhelming regulations on people to want to open small businesses that would provide more jobs in the inner cities. A step to help people help themselves rather than expect entitlements. That might be a start.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    I haven't scripted those comments. The Republican Party and Donald Trump scripted those comments.

    Do people really think that blacks are going to vote for Donald Trump when highly respectable life-long Republicans are refusing to vote for Donald Trump. They've come out publically in announcing they will be voting for Hillary Clinton. Read some of the comments they have made on the record..

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-name-republicans-supporting-hillary-clinton/

    No, the Democrats don't have to do anything because blacks know that it's Republicans that are the enemy of blacks and other minorities. I'm also glad to see Republicans that are finally waking up and my only hope is that they remain Republicans and deal with the racist cancer eating the Republican Party from the inside. We can all hope for a return of the "Rockefeller Republicans" from the 1960's that actually cared about all Americans, not just "Non-Hispanic White Men" like today's Republican Party with Donald Trump as it's standard bearer, but that is a very faint hope.
     
  18. precision

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    No, you didn't clear up a damn thing. Donald Trump does not have the power to shut down the Department of Education (except for little tidbits). Yeah, so stop using those same old stank Democrat scare tactics.

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    Yep, that dam is cracking for sure. Blacks are starting to see through people like the Clintons.
     
  19. precision

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    Yeah, you are right. He probably will. The thing is this, when I think about so will Clinton as did our first "black" president. Now that we have that cleared up (to borrow from you), at least Trump has the sense enough to know that it makes no sense to have an adversarial relationship with Putin. Your girl doesn't have the sense she was born with and instead wants to label him Hitler. Its a stank lie, and is going to lead the world down the path of ruin.

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    No, it ain't no seem to it, that is what I think, no doubt about it.

    Regards to you as well.

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    Before I respond, just who is the idiot you are referring to? I don't want to misunderstand you here.
     
  20. Lil Mike

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    This isn't about Blacks voting for Republicans, but the KKKrazy glue that holds the Dems together depends on a lot of the Nazi/Klan/White Nationalist rhetoric that you think is unnecessary (in spite of you being one of the largest practitioners on this forum). It's to drive up turn out of Blacks in November. Hillary knows they don't love her, but she thinks (correctly I suspect) that she can scare them into turning out for her.

    Odd for a "libertarian" pining for the good old days of the "Rockefeller Republican." However your comments indicate to me that you don't really understand anything about what's been happening in the Republican Party the past 2 years. So if you think it's about a battle between Rockefeller Republicans and the Klan for the soul of the Republican Party, then it's obvious to me you're not really educable on the subject.
     
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    I hear what you are saying about Republicans. If blacks can't stomach Trump, then they should vote for Jill Stein. They really need to get off that one way Democrat street. They are simply being taken for granted and used. Its never going to change as long as Democrats perceive that blacks don't have any place else to go. They have run that lesser of two evil game down in the ground. Blacks need to do something else.
     
  22. Shiva_TD

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    The KKK and the white supremacists/white nationalists abandoned the Democratic Party during the 1980's. This is perhaps most reflective of the overwhelming support of Ronald Reason in 1980 and 1984 in the (racist) Southern States. Additionally we can following that change in party affiliation anecdotally by simply following the political career of David Duke that transitioned from being a racist Democrat to racist Republican in 1989. Always remember that the KKK has always been a far-right (social conservative) white supremacy/white nationalist organization so simply ask yourself which political party represents social conservatisms today.

    So while the Republican Party was long associated with it's social liberal origin under Abraham Lincoln that changed during the 1980's and 1990's where today it's become the party of Lincoln's Democratic Vice President, and later President upon Lincoln's death, Andrew Johnson that was famous for the most racist statement ever made by any US President when he said, “This is a country for white men, and by God, as long as I am President, it shall be a government for white men.”

    Minority Americans are very much aware of this change in the Republican Party and don't need to be reminded of it by Democrats. What's sad is that Republicans seem to ignore, or worse still deny, this change in the Republican Party that's transitioning into the party of white supremacy/white nationalism today with Donald Trump being it's standard bearer.

    It is for the sake of America that I would advocate the Republican Party return to it's social liberal roots of the Rockefeller Republicans that were far more in tune with the very progressive political ideology upon which America was founded. Obviously I'd prefer both Democrats and Republicans fully adopt the Libertarian ideology that is fundamentally based upon classical liberalism which focused on the natural rights of the person but I don't expect that to happen.

    No, I don't believe that the last two years represent a conflict between Rockefeller Republicans and the Klan because the social liberalism of Rockefeller Republicans was dumped when the Republican Party became the party of social conservatism when the Neocons, that included the white supremacy/white nationalists, abandoned the Democratic Party and became Republicans. Today a Rockefeller Republican is disparaged and called a RINO although they actually carry forward the traditional social liberal heritage of the Republican Party.

    The conflict over the last two years within the Republican Party has been about the extremists taking over the party which is why Donald Trump is the Republican candidate today. The insane are now running the asylum.
     
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    How about giving more attention on getting them jobs instead of handing jobs over to the illegals he wants to let in.
     
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    There really are no significant government barriers to a person starting their own business. This is a myth propagated by Republicans. For example my wife just opened a business and the least of her worries was the government that only charged her $17 for the necessary government licenses. The financial barrier to starting a business is the costs imposed by private entities which typically run into many thousands of dollars that the poor can't afford. Such a business would also have to generate enough income for a poor person to live on from day one and that virtually never happens with a new business. Additionally for a successful private enterprise the person has to have substantial business knowledge and most Americans can't even write a simple business plan.

    So while it sounds like a good idea the fact is that it's virtually impossible to do because underfunding and a lack of business knowledge dooms the vast majority of new enterprises.. Confirmation of this is provided for by the statistics for new business start-ups where four out of five fail.
     
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    Jill Stein isn't on the ballot nationwide and isn't a viable candidate because of that. Gary Johnson is on the ballot across the nation but because he's been politically censored by the combined efforts of the Republican Party and Democratic Party that control the Presidential Debates he's not a viable candidate either. Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton both represent the "Worst Possible President" and the Democratic Party and Republican Party have effectively condemned the American People to the "Worst Possible President" because they'd rather have their opposition win than to allow a superior third party candidate any opportunity to win by including them in the Presidential Debates. Of course for the White Supremacists/White Nationalists it's Hillary Clinton that is worse than Donald Trump and for those opposed to White Supremacy/White Nationalism (that would include all minorities) then Donald Trump is worse than Hillary Clinton but in either case Americans are still going to get the "Worst Possible President" because they both represent that.

    Pragmatically blacks and Hispanics both know the Republican Party is their enemy so they are left with only one choice and that's to vote for Hillary Clinton to prevent a Republican administration. That's why they've been overwhelmingly voting for Democrats since the about the 1970's after the social liberal Rockefeller Republicans lost power in the Republican Party. That was also the reason Republicans, that hate the Voting Rights Act today, created the new Jim Crow voting laws starting in about 2012 to prevent blacks and Hispanics from voting because they vote for Democrats. Fortunately the federal courts are now striking down those laws (e.g. voter ID laws) because they violate the 15th Amendment. .
     

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