Democrats unveil 3 trillion+ Covid relief package and plan to vote this week.

same with Texas, they can take their portion of the US debt with them

 

Yes, states shouldn't be helping illegals, but our highest priority should be preventing a depression.

 

We are already at depression level unemployment and people are still going to stay home even if we open today. We need to think about saving tens of millions of job even if we choose to open now.

 

We can dig out of this unemployment issue to a degree if we open. Look at places that have opened, people are not staying at home. Americans want to get out and live. The beaches in Galveston were overwhelmed when they opened.

I agree we need to save jobs but causing a inflation nightmare by printing money like its free is not the answer.

 

We agree overall but without those corporations to provide jobs for people the money we give working Americans is a temporary bandage on a long term wound.

 

The problem is that tens of millions of people and businesses are months behind on their rent and mortage and when the economy opens, and a lot of people won't have any money to spend because they have no jobs. This means that economic spending will be low and many businesses will continue to fail making the job losses perminant. Additionally, many people are going to limit their activities outdoors even if the economy opens so we will see mass job loss anyway. A good example of this is Sweden that never locked down but is seeing a massive economic contraction anyway. Its going to be rough.

 

I love more money and I would get it, but I don't think the country can administered it. Worked during the pandemic is too vague a set of guidelines. I'm salaried, how would you pay me hazard pay? My wife works in education, has been working but less hours, she is still getting full pay though, does she get full hazard pay? She works at the school some and from home some. Same pay? My son is in the military, he is working, does he get hazard pay? Much simpler said than down.

My daughter is a working as well, she has not gotten her stimulus check yet, perhaps they could get those all out before planning to send more...

 

I agree with you on the depression, but Pelosi is also calling for stimulus money payouts for illegals in this package.

The blue states cannot afford to support illegals & unless they change that, they will just get in trouble again.

They need to increase their state income & sales taxes if sanctuary cities want to keep picking up the tab for illegals.

 

And I disagree with payouts for illegals and have a lot of issues with the democratic priorities as well with the GOP as well. But the most important thing is that we act to prevent a depression or at least shorten it. Increasing taxes isn't on the table and will make the depression worse and simple cannot happen for any reason.

 

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Let's Secede now before this turns violent.

 

What kind of question is THAT??

Do we play the red state/blue state game when there is a hurricane, earthquake, flood, tornedo or other national disaster?

Why did Trump start playing that game?

And, why does McConnell put up with that kind of garbage?

Is this the way you want disaster to relief to work in the future? Can you find ANY justification for it?

 

So how do we resolve that? Sending out more stimulus money will not work as it will end up paying rent, car payments, buying food etc. if people have no money from not having a job. It is still not going to end up in the tills of the service industry, airlines, car dealership, furniture stores, bars, eateries etc. Unless it is a hell of a lot more than $1200. I think the only thing that can fix it is a functioning economy over time. If we need to infuse some govt money in it I'm OK with that but not sending out more checks, they have not even sent the first wave out fully.

 

It was Pelosi who only wants bailout funding for the blue states.

The blue state sanctuary cities are not working & they are going bankrupt.

 

Of course it isn't. You cant import the third world, give them free everything including funding for popping out anchor babies while squeezing and taxing the local population to death and expect it to work. The sick part is that when Mexifornia collapses they will say it was Capitalism's fault and double down on stupid. Disgusting

 

I'm told the red states are teat suckers, are they asking for federal welfare, to the same degree? Because the leftist tell me that this disaster relief is "socialism".

 

The $1200 stimulus checks are insufficient, you are correct, and many people with jobs are just saving them anyway. Its those unemployment benefits that are going to do the most good and prevent people from going under. As you pointed out, at lot of industries are in really big trouble. We need to be doing a much better job in helping them. The economy will heal over time, but it usually takes a decade or two to get back to normal unemployment levels.

One thing that we should be doing is implementing a national strategy for living with the virus. This includes testing everywhere, using technology to track the virus, masks and gloves, targeted lockdowns of cities that get infected, and other hygene and protection by people and businesses. We should be putting more funding into vaccines and treatments for covid as well.

 

So then the sooner we open the better

 

We need to open in a way that people feel safe going out and spending money. As I said before, Sweden never locked down, but people still avoided going out as much as possible because they didn't feel safe.

 

When have unemployment rates taken decades to recover after a economic crisis? Not after the Depression or any recession since. It will not taken a decade much less decades to recover.

This virus has killed less than 100,000 out of a population of 330,000,000 plus. And within those numbers it is extremely clear this virus is a threat to a specific demographic and results is no harm to the vast majority of people who are infected. We are not going too nor should we live in a semi police state because of this virus. People want to live and work, and they will. If people choose to stay lock downed then they can but the "free money" will stop as it should. We can not continue to print money as if it has no repercussion. The cure is already worse than the sickness, not need to make it even worse. .

 

It's working in Texas. We need to accelerate it now.

 

Nonsense on all counts.

Cite something.

 

Republicans have their Conservative wish-list.
Democrats have their Progressive wish-list.

Both sides need to cut the crap and help the people directly, and only the people. Fast track some tax free money to every US citizen 18 and older regardless of dependency status. No money for companies, no money for states/localities, no money for pet projects, no money for "studies" or "organizations", no other legislative matters included. Help the people now and work on the other stuff afterwards.

 

I don't know who is telling you that disaster relief is "socialism".

Is FEMA socialism? That's certainly disaster relief. And, it involves significant financial outlays (as well as supplies, equipment and manpower) to those impacted.

And, yes. When we have an event like this it becomes an absolute requirement to ensure that those on our front lines, those put out of work, first responders, and others get support.

Every first world country in the world sees that as a moral imparitive. Any nation with a majority Christian population can't possibly see it some other way.

 

How does this sound....

America spends $89 Billion on Illegals each year.

California alone spends 23 billion on illegals in support of their sanctuary cities.

California can’t afford to remain a sanctuary city & supply benefits to illegals because they have legal commitments to state pension funds.

There is nothing in the constitution about sanctuary cities, so if they want to remain a sanctuary city that provides benefits to illegals, they are going to need to raise state income & sales tax.

They don’t want to raise taxes any higher in fear of losing congressional seats to the republicans.

Yes, California is almost all blue, but a republican is currently leading the mail in ballots for the 25th district in a special election to fill the seat vacated by Katie Hill.

To look at California with people pooping in the streets and shooting up on corners, it is only a matter of time before the constituents get fed up. People were not sleeping on sidewalks, pooping in the streets and shooting up in public when the Republicans controlled the state.