If a woman can choose to abort with or without consent of the man who had sex with her, a man might consider cutting parental ties to a child he didn't want. I don't think it is good for the mother and/or child. I think it is fair. I think this is what things like abortion and then also child support payments for 18 years, partial or total payments for higher education and ties to the family of a woman he didn't want to spend his life with sometimes cause. I've posted considerations like this before and stirred harsh emotions. I get it. I do, from both sides of the discussion. I paid my dues and much more.
single parents have been raising kids just fine since before recorded history. can we just leave ppl alone already? seriously, mind your own damn business.
Sucks to have one parent. Did you have two? Do you support the man's right to leave her and her new burdens? It seems so from this post.
A woman has that option as well. A man only has this option and its insanely expensive. It has to be in order for the woman to get more out of it than she is giving aka a profit.
I know in Asia artificial insemination is extremely uncommon. All the men want a baby who is related to them, to carry on their genes. Men don't want to be cuckolded, raising another man's offspring. It doesn't matter so much whether the woman is biologically related to the baby, however. It's part of the culture. Same thing in traditional Chinese culture, it was only the men's ancestral lineage that mattered. No woman in Asia is going to want to raise a baby by herself. The culture is very family-oriented.
You do realize that your exhortation to stick to the thread topic does come across as rather cheeky ?
cheek·y [ˈCHēkē] ADJECTIVE cheekier (comparative adjective) · cheekiest (superlative adjective) impudent or irreverent, typically in an endearing or amusing way: I'm not sure what you are implying.
sucks to have two parents that resent being stuck with eachother too. seems to me a man who wants to leave his kids aint fit to raise em. though my original point was: mind your own business and stop meddling in other peoples lives. if you wanna help, theres charitable organizations that help single parents. donate or volunteer instead of forcing people to do things with more laws
Sorry to hear that you think daddies should be able to walk away from the children the created. Hey I didn’t want you, so fu** you jr. G, I guess when daddy had sex with mommy he didn’t know that mommy would have choice. He just thought he could force her to have an abortion or Abandon his child. He would rather just leave mommy with the responsibility of child support for 18 years in college and all that. Women know the consequences when they have unprotected sex and they will have the choice to carry Or to abort men know the consequences too. They will be dependent on the women’s decision. Both have consequences but it sounds like you want him to say, “ abort or you’re the sole provider for my child”
Agree. There are reasons which can make it easier on them. Have you ever heard of parental alienation? It's fairly common. I disagree.
Yes and no. If he is abusive to her, or the kids, it might be best. If she has the option of abortion and had the choice of having sex with the guy with or without protection, it might be best to consider that man's opinions out of respect. Probably not a good way to start a family, otherwise and have a father who wants to enthusiastically participate. That's what the law suggests and I agree with it.
No the law doesn’t say that a father can walk away from the child he created.yet, you see that as right Women do consider a mans opinion. But the last word is hers! Or do you think he should make the decision?
It is a man's right to walk away, if he has told her he doesn't want the child and abortion is freely given as an opportunity for all women and partially paid by his taxes. Hell, the morning after pill can be used. Since these are available and has stated he does not want a child, if she becomes pregnant by their copulation, why is he forced to pay and care for her and the child, if she refuses to abort? The last word is still hers. Your post reads like you want women to have some abusively controlling rights over a man.
Amazing,, aren’t you anti choice? Aren’t you opposed to abortion? What if she is? Do you think that men are so stupid that they don’t realize that if they have unprotected sex they have a chance of creating a child that they may not want and will be responsible for it for 18 years? . That is the man’s choice whether to take the risk or not. He knows the risks He is not forced to pay and care for her, he is only forced to help pay for his baby, his child, his flesh and blood. The last word is hers....so is the nine months of gestation, the hours of agony in childbirth,and the 18 years of raising it, ... only one person can have the final say and who do you think it should be? You keep saying that I want some abusively controlling rights over a man. I wish I was as callous as you are when you believe that a man should have no responsibility to the child that is his baby. Fortunately I don’t know any men who can just abandon a child they created. When I taught sex ed...I stressed that over and over...if you create a baby it’s half your responsibility!
No Yes I don't take my own advice, well. That's her right. Are you saying women have less responsibility than men? Because, if it was my body, and I had to make that decision or any leading up to that decision, I'd be damn sure I knew what was going to happen and do what I could to prevent whatever it is I want to avoid. Is that only the man's responsibility? He doesn't get pregnant. I disagree. It's a choice they both make, and hopefully they are ready for it. Sometimes and maybe most times. I disagree. There is no responsibility to report how the money is used, nor spent. Therefore, your statement is a lie meant to make men feel better. There is no dna test prior to assessing damages, so, men and some women cannot be certain of their relationship to the woman's offspring. If it is his offspring, he made that choice with the woman, prior to hooking up, in cases where they both know what happens and are educated. If they are not educated well enough, it's rape by one of them. It may be said it is rape of the one who knows least, because s/he can be manipulated and cannot truly say "yes", enthusiastically. I agree with that. See the bold below. Here is an explanation. The word, "if" in this instance, is simply saying, "under the circumstances outlined previously", which was a post.........I think one or yours, but I'm not sure. It is the law. Is it not? I concede that. So, I agree a woman can choose to abort with or without consent of a man. She may keep the child. She may abort the child. That responsibility is hers, if the man has stated he doesn't want children, but he would like to have sex with her, and she agrees to sex. We are just looking at it in different ways. I'm looking at it in a judicial fashion. You are looking at it from an emotional one. I believe a woman has a right to choose, if she wants a baby or not. Do you think men deserve the same rights? If it is proven the baby is his, and he stated prior to sex with the mother of the child in her womb, that he does not want a child, it is her choice to decide if she wants to risk pregnancy through sex with him, and possibly have to make her decision to raise the child on her own or abort the baby. You told them a man has the right to choose to abort a child or not, just as the woman does? It's either her body and her choice, once she is pregnant, or it is the responsibility of both. A man only has a choice prior to sex. There is no equality in your positions. Therefore, since it is a huge responsibility for both, in different ways, and equality is the law in most things, it should only be lawful for him to pay, if he agrees prior to sex. He has no say in her body. This is simply contract law. If there needs to be an app or something, that's fine. It should be a choice for him, not mandatory, because she decided to keep her child, instead of taking the morning after pill. He has no say in that.
I think they should be the same rules for adoption of a child for anonymous sperm but if married and they divorce, the sperm is the mans, just as the eggs would be the womens imo
You contradict yourself so many times that I can keep up with it. You are opposed to abortion and think it is murder, but yet you think a woman should be forced to have one if a man wants her to. You say that I think a woman has less responsibility than a man.that doesn’t make sense...She has the responsibility of pregnancy childbirth and rearing up kit for 18 years.men know that if an unwanted pregnancy occurs they can be responsible for childcare..they’re lucky that’s all You keep saying that a man should be able to walk away from his child... whether he wanted it or not it is his baby. Do you think you should be able to walk away from a toddler because he didn’t want it? Men know as well as women, that if there is a pregnancy they are both responsible for it. You were saying that if she doesn’t have an abortion he has no responsibility because he didn’t want it. Men know that they will be responsible ...and women know that.Their consequences are different and women’s are much more severe ..you really seem to see children as something easy to discard
If you can come up with a nifty formula to prevent the nasty contingencies of life that impact income for 18 years, let me know and we can talk. I have seen too much divorce, mental and physical illness, addiction, job loss, estrangment etc, to think that the 'family structure' at the time of birth or adoption protects much in the way of my tax dollars.
No. Just, no. No, wrong again. Threats, now? No, that's incorrect. If it's found the child is not his biological offspring, I think he needs to make a decision. I would guess most fathers would choose to stay with the child they love. I did. No, not really. Whatever the law says. Not really, there is very little you understood, if anything. So far, what you say you think I believe, I don't What strikes me as odd is, how can someone who has poor reading comprehension and communication skills write a cogent book?
You’re funny, you’re negating everything you said. If a man finds out the child is not his he has no responsibility toward it.That is not what we are talking about. We are talking about a couple who have sex and an unwanted child is created. You kept saying it was unfair that the man has to pay for him/her if he doesn’t want her/him I was able to write a successful book because I’m smarter than yoand I am consistent in what i say..
Not really, you just never understood what I said the first time. That's too bad. No, but close. Consistently lacking in reading comprehension, sure. Consistently wrong on more occasions than not, yes.
I totally understood what you wrote the first time but since you just repeat the same gibberish, you decided to just personally attack. Cute!
