DEVELOPING: Declassified Rice email documenting WH meeting 1/5/2017 obtained

Telling the Russians they will remove the sanctions isn’t undermining Obama and his sanctions ?

The cult is strong in you

 

Flynn told them that they would be removing the sanctions imposed by Obama...that is undermining them.

 

I suppose it depends on how personally complicit you are in this......

 

Like my sig says:

I lie that reaffirms us will gain more credence that a truth that challenges us.

 

Ok, even if he had, that isn't a national security issue, it's a policy issue, something that isn't covered, or sanctioned, by the FISA standards. I know, you didn't know this, because, well you didn't. Now you do. Of course it won't change your opinion, because you'd have to accept that your party committed treasonous acts against the nation. But there you go. You have been informed.

 

It is by definition undermining. That’s all I ever claimed

What does ANY of that have to do with FISA ?

What was the “treasonous act” ?

 

Playing dumb now is quite disingenuous.... Try it on someone else.

 

Obama had no bases to spy on him to begin with. He had no search warrant...that's illegal

 

He didn't say that...all he asked was that they do not escalate.

Try again. You literally continue to push a false narrative.

 

How do you know that? The current transcripts have not been released yet, they will be released in its entirety soon.

Even so, why would it concern Obama, or undermine Obama, if the new President and his team were going to move in a new direction? Gen. Flynn had discussed with Susan Rice that China was going to be the top priority of Trump and the new team. I don't think there is anything wrong with the new transition team discussing anything with the heads of foreign countries. It lays the groundwork for new partnerships and new procesdures, deals, etc.

Sounds to me like Obama was just a bitter, narcissistic jilted man who spied on Trump and his campaign and was very upset about losing that election. Obama should have engaged the new team in a 100% peaceful transfer of power and left the White House with dignity. The damage Obama did to this nation is still being uncovered.

Don't worry, he'll get away with it. He spied for political reasons and conspired to send an innocent man to prison out of vindication. But he'll get away with it.

 

He knows it because the left wing pushed that false narrative for years. The Mueller Report highlights that is not what was said at all.

Unfortuately the poster you are responding to fell victim to the left wing Shifty lies.

 

Have a link for that?

I looked for that claim and am not finding anything about him claiming the Trump admin would remove sanctions. What we do have is the charging documents. What we have there is:

He supposedly lied about a UN resolution regarding Israel that went the way the Obama admin wanted, I think? They(the Obama admin through the UN)brought up the resolution on Israel but then didn’t vote on it. Russia did the opposite of what Flynn talked with Kislyak about. A UN resolution on Israel? Don’t see anything about removing sanctions there.


The other “lie” was about asking Russia to “refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed on Russia that same day.” Nothing about removing sanctions. Would you prefer they do escalate the situation? I don’t see how that undermines any policy except a policy of wanting escalation. I certainly don’t believe you think Obama wanted it to escalate further.

 

No he didn't cite that quote, let's see it because the FBI said he asked them not to retaliate to the sanctions...……………..

 

Whoops you just shot your argument's head right off, that my friend would be illegal unmasking.

 

Making things up is what’s disingenuous. This has nothing to do with FISA as the original conversation was caught while listing to the Russian ambassador. You left that part out. They weren’t watching Flynn UNTIL he was caught talking to the Russian Ambassador.....

 

Hmm... so which is it today? His unmasking which is a federal felony, or not part of the FISA warrants that were illegally obtained? What is entirely disingenuous is your continued fantasy that neither of those two things, both of which impacted Flynn didn't happen somehow.

 

Well, some of that's not entirely true... they had Flynn on the radar going back to Crossfire Hurricane in July 2016, which is why Flynn was unmasked by the administration in the November-December time frame (pre 12/29).

Also, there might have been a FISA warrant involved, but not THE FISA warrant..

SNIP
That call with Kislyak was monitored by the FBI under a FISA warrant covering Kislyak, as is standard practice, current and former officials have said. Many former ambassadors and foreign officials working in the U.S. are monitored by the FBI as part of routine counterintelligence inquiries.
ENDSNIP

https://www.aol.com/flynns-name-never-masked-fbi-172433191.html

However, it looks as if we might get to see these transcripts at some point **

SNIP
The intelligence community has “started the declassification” process of transcripts and reports documenting former national security adviser Michael Flynn’s phone conversations with the former Russian ambassador, according to a tweet from Acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell on Friday.

“They should be released in full,” Grenell added. “The public deserves to see it.”
ENDSNIP

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/spy-chief-says-begun-declassification-process-flynn-kislyak-190500055.html

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First off, he's the ACTING spy chief...

Second, he's pretty much out of a job now anyway, since RATcliffe has been confirmed.

Third, I suspect RATcliffe will come in here and cancel everything Grenell started on this, all part of the continued delay process...

 

Also, rest assured, no matter what the transcripts will show, I promise you 50% of this forum (the 50% that doesn't think Trump mentioned Biden by name to Zelensky) will say the conversation was ..... what was the word?? Ahh..... PERFECT...

But then they'll have to resolve why Pence/Trump were so convinced Flynn lied to them....

Remember, the Trump administration is already fully aware of exactly what Flynn said to Kislyak...

Major Spin alert coming...

 

He wasn’t spying on him. Why are you making things up ?

 

That makes no sense. Why would they need a FISA warrant for Kislyak ? He’s not a US citizen.

“Declassification” basically means selective release. IMHO I don't think we will ever get the full transcript. My guess is it will be like the “call memo” of the Ukraine call.

 

Obama didn’t spy on anyone. The right made that up to cover for the fact they they know the Russian government helped them win the election. It tainted the election, so they shifted the blame to Obama. And very badly might I add. The fact that Roger Stone is in jail for actually trying to work with the Russians kinda says it all.

And if you are so sincere about the integrity of the elections, then I’m sure your opposed to whatTrump is doing to Biden right now....right ?

 

As I see it, apparently nobody actually taped the Ukraine call (in the US) so they couldn't produce a true transcript.

Here, I believe they have to have actual audio, which could eventually be released (a la Nixon).

We'll get the whole story, either now or under a new administration....

 

He lied about even having the call at first, THEN he lied about the content of the call. “Refrain from escalating”...which they agreed to.....now why would they do that for nothing in return. And oddly enough Trump lifted the sanctions in his first week in office..hmmmmmmm

We do not have the full transcript of the conversation, but Stevie wonder can see what that was. Hell, every source said that was the purpose of the call.

 

In exchange for what ?

 

So you don’t have a link for that then?

What we DO know is he asked them not to escalate in retaliation. Anything else is speculation and not a fact. Please don’t insult my intelligence by claiming speculation as fact. You said he did that. Not may have, or could have, you said he did that. So please, show me where that actually happened and not more speculation.

Remember, there was nothing illegal about what he talked about with Kislyak or what he said. The calls were cleared of wrong doing before he was even interviewed and news articles were written saying he was cleared in the calls BEFORE the FBI interviewed him.