Did Covid-19 Develop In Wuhan China?

Sorry, dude. We do not know how COVID moved from animals to humans and then dispersed.

Trump carefully ensured there could be NO POSSIBILITY of answering that question.

And, no. Economics doesn't work that way. Even your buddy Nixon knew the importance of trade with China. And, not paying our debts would be profoundly STUPID.

 

~ No. The West is obviously in on the "New World Order ". These virus "safety " totalitarian policies are a test of public compliance with authority. Likely another will occur sooner than later .
The dumbing-down of society continues unabated ...

 

Informing people of the most basic methods for humans to resist transmittable disease can not be termed "dumbing down".

And, this IS a world issue. COVID was transmitted to the USA through Europe. And, the new strains that have come about have formed in various other parts of the globe.

 

yeah, nixon really screwed us by opening that trade. More jobs could have been here in America, and should be, but the Democrat Politicians are the new nixon. they love china, and sold us out to them.

plus they have politicized everything, and nothing is off limits to them! They've completely corrupted the fbi and doj.

 

US corporations have benefitted hugely by their trade with China.

Plus, that trade has allowed us a higher standard of living.

As for Nixon, the issue at that time was that we can not force China to be better behaved by attempting to isolate China. We make far more progress WITH trade. Since Nixon, China has moved toward capitalism in important ways and the working conditions within China have improved. China needs our trade, as we benefit from trade with China.

There is no possibility of denying the importance of Nixon's move. And, it was supported by a majority of America at that time. He could not possibly have made that move alone.

 

yes democrat politicians/big government/ big coorperations have benefitted greatly. Unfortunately, Democrat Politicians and china, take away good paying jobs for Americans, just so they can get rich. Maybe ask Hillary Clinton? she use to be on the board at Walmart. Democrat Politicians are destroying small buisnesses, and they do so, to take away options, and so everyone has to shop at places like walmart. small buisnesses are the backbone of America, and represent the opposite of Socialism, and that is why they're trying to destroy them.

 

Republicans are highly in favor of allowing these moves toward monopoly as a free expression of capitalism. You don't see Republicans attempting to strengthen the SEC in order to slow the moves toward monopoly - the only possibility of resistance to monopoly in our system.

Nobody in America accepts Socialism. Nobody. You should give up on trying to scare people with the Socialism claims, as they show weakness in your argument.

You said "and that is why ...", but you didn't give any reason why.

Besides, I don't see evidence that ANYONE is trying to destroy small business. The problem is more that we refuse to take the actions to slow these major conglomerates from rolling over small business on their way to maximizing profit - which IS the only objective in capitalism.

Are you lobbying the SEC to block the merger of Kroger and Albertsons that leaves us with very few choices and almost no competition in where we buy FOOD???

 

the Democrat Liberal Politicians lockdowns, has destroyed a lot of small businesses. Where have you been? lmao!!!


Democrat Politicians are trying to force Big government on us. Big Government and Socialism go hand in hand.


What would you call obamacare? that's a socialistic item that the Democrat Politicians have already put into place. They get great doctors, and only the finest, while they want the rest of us to get quantity, and not quality.

Democrats act like they care about the middle class, but then they turn around, and have the middle class pay for the poor, whilst they keep getting richer, and stay in their huge homes, and have private security, and fenced in communities. Rules for us, and not them.

 

Obamacare includes NO new method for some to get good care while others don't. I say no "new" method, as those with wealth have always had various ways of escaping the limits that apply to the vast majority of citizens. The limits of care have always been determined by insurance companies or by ability to go outside the system. For those who qualify, Medicare and Medicaid define a limit of coverage - again a limit that individuals with ability to pay may exceed.

Democrats have favored systems that provide equal healthcare to all without requiring individuals to pay more than a nominal co-pay - as we see in EVERY other first world country. In all those countries, the total spent on healthcare is less than what America spends on a person by person basis.

In other words, our for-profit system is WAY more expensive AND it is demanded by Republicans to be that way.

Democrats are the ones who are NOT supportive of the tax weight that falls on the middle class. But, Republicans are STRONGLY IN FAVOR of lowering the taxes of the wealthy while increasing the contributions of those making less income.

 

I don't think either sidee has made an honest effort to fix the system so patients aren't getting the short stick.

 

The question is: “Was it just negligent or deliberate”?

 

Ok, I'm not aware of this problem, and it sounds serious.

Can you describe the problem or give examples?

 

Yeah, it just happened to arise within coughing distance of a virus lab working on the very specific type of viruses that C19 is, but we 'don't know how it started'.

Want to buy a bridge?

 

It takes suspension of disbelief to go with the former. The layers of protocol in these labs is more than enough to preclude a "whoops, I accidentally opened a vial and sniffed it really hard, while not wearing any PPE, then sauntered out of the building without going through any check points or decons".

 

An example is forcing Americans to pay much higher drug prices than the rest of the world. Not allowing Medicare to bargain for drugs. Yeah we have a promise of insulin capped at $35 in 3 years which Trump did with one of those Presidential edicts. In 3 years I will be 82 what are the odds?

 

That won’t be as big of a problem when the R&D budget is gone some country invites our laid iff researchers in and we lose our pharma industry. Then like with China, we will be buying from them!

 

So we get punished by paying EU prices? Damn!

R&D is self preservation, they are going to do it and they get tax write offs for it. A lot of it is tweaking a formula that has reached the end of it's max profit and putting it on the market as a "new" product.

 

You're getting your cause and effect backwards.

The lab was built there, because that is where the SARS is, and SARS had already moved into the human population in that region several times with lethal effect.

This latest version of COVID is not the only one.

That was strong reason to study SARS in that region, obviously.

The order of events is that SARS and COVID came first. THEN came the lab.

The lab found that there are a couple tens of thousands of SARS variants carried by monkeys in the region (monkeys being part of the human diet there), that pangolins (which are part of local homeopathy) carry SARS, etc.

 

Drug prices are being set by capitalism. Our system is based on that method of pricing.

We can talk about the problems of treating medicine like we do other products where there is plenty of competition and we don't actually need the specific product. With TVs, you can choose from a broad array of sizes, types and manufacturers all competing for your business. Or, you can save up and buy a slightly nicer car or something else that makes you happy - an idea situation for capitalism to provide what people want.

But, with insulin, you need INSULIN. PERIOD. Capitalism is CRAP at delivering what you need if you need insulin. There isn't even a way to get generic insulin in the USA, so it's down to three manufacturers who are in business to maximize profit - like all of capitalism.

Link: Why no generic insulin?

Check out whether your congressional representative defends the out of control capitalism of our drug companies.

 

They do that with asthma meds. I don’t see how they prevent the prior expired patent from going generic. it has always been a mystery to me.
BUT, to concentrate on the positives, US based Big Pharma has been a huge benefit to public health.

 

I agree with that last.

However, it's left us with far too much of the population unable to pay for the available solutions, even when those solutions are all that stands between life and death. So, we end up with all the patches to our for-profit medical system as we try to meet real need - Medicare, Tricare, requirements on employers, insurance companies, aid to people to help them pay insurance companies, etc.

With such a hodgepodge of systems and their massive overlaps of management and accounting it really is no wonder that every other first world country has been able to deliver quality healthcare to every citizen for FAR less total cost by using single payer systems.

I'm not claiming that this is an easy problem. But, it IS a problem. And, every other country has a solution that costs less.

 

True, the mid range goal of the democrats is socialized medicine, but the long term goal is to unionize them into a nation conquering voting bloc.

 

for me, since the liberal Politicians love and stand up for China, and work with them, and want to be like them(a dictatorship), it looks a lot more deliberate.

Especially, when there is proof, that they mishandled the chinese wuhan virus so horribly, therefore killing tends of thousands of more Americans in liberal states.
Whilst in states that lean more Republican and Conservative like Florida, they handled it a lot better, and a lot differently than most liberal states.

 

COVID-19 pandemic 'likely' originated with Chinese lab leak, Senate Republican report finds

https://www.help.senate.gov/ranking...report-analyzing-origins-of-covid-19-pandemic

https://nypost.com/2022/10/27/senate-report-finds-covid-19-most-likely-leaked-out-of-chinese-lab/

https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/...c-likely-originated-with-leak-from-wuhan-lab/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/co...inese-lab-leak-senate-republican-report-finds

 

I got food poisoning last night. from chicken thighs. I was up puking and crapping, with tons of pain in my stomach.

Now adays it sucks, because we're all still worried about the remnants of corona. Any time any one gets a cold, or the flu, or sick in any way, we're still afraid it could be corona.

It was really funny though, some democrats on here, have told me that corona never went away, and yet even Joesophina said that it has. lol.