Did Mary and Yahweh have a child out of wedlock?

Early Church fathers, the likes of St. Jerome and St. Augustine would call you a lieing heretic

 

This is an important point. So pervasive is the taint of original sin that Jesus could not have shared fully in our humanity without inheriting it. The one can't be separated from the other. So Mary's conception was unique in that she was preserved from original sin so that the womb that bore Jesus would be pure. This was a truly marvelous provision of the Almighty.

 

Since there is no evidence that the Biblical Jesus even existed, why make up nonsense about his birth?

 

Just more nonsense and fabrication from the mother of churches, (catholic).

 

Original sin is nothing but, bigoted, ignorant, prejudicial hatred of women, it is stupid and foolish and a totally ridiculous concept. Blaming women on bringing sin into the world is totally stupid, and hateful.

 

Sure there is. Just pick up any Western Civ textbook and educate yourself.

 

There is just as much as evidence of his existence than anyone who lived in antiquity.

 

No Christian will TOUCH that. Jesus's ancestry being traced through Joseph right in the first book of the New Testament for all to see is death for Christian belief. Then we are to believe Joseph was NOT the father? Um? WHAT?! It shows how confused the so-called "prophets" were at the time. They couldn't keep what has become a critical aspect of the story straight.

How can any honest, reasonable person trust them after seeing this?

Once again, if you didn't catch it: THE BIBLE traces the lineage of Jesus back to David THROUGH JOSEPH. But a major aspect of the Christian religion is that Joseph was not Jesus's father at all. So why do they trace his roots back to David through Joseph?

It's a retrofit to match Jesus up with the Jewish Messianic prophecies. But then WHOOPS, he's not even really related to Joseph! WHOOP!

Explain away, Christians... Jewish custom at the time was to trace ancestry, YADDA YADDA, whatever. I've heard the excuses.

Fact: The supposed Word of God erroneously traces the ancestry of God's own son through a man the same Word of God also states was not really his father, only "presumed" to be.

It's death for Christian belief. I'm a Christian, so I simply ignore things like this. But if there are any honest Christians with integrity who actually want to try to explain this Biblical error, I'd love to hear it.

 

Or is shows an ability to think about the religious doctrine and ask relevant questions.

 

Yes it was.....Zeus cheated on Hera with all of the mothers of his Demigod children. According to the Myths, Hera hated Hercules, Perseus, and all of Zeus's other sons and considered them reminders of her husband's betrayals.

 

That is a common practice for Catholicism. If anyone thinks, they are to be called a heretic.

Remember Galileo and Copernicus, who claimed we lived in a heliocentric solar system? The Catholic church condemned these two as heretics, but who turned out to be right on the issue, the church or Galileo and Copernicus?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus

 

History books speak of the bible, they speak of the beliefs of people around the world, including the middle east. They do NOT cite any evidence of the existence of the Biblical Jesus. There is none to cite. We have some evidence that Pontius Pilate existed, but NONE that the biblical Jesus did. The only info we have on Jesus is third, forth and more hand reports, of primitive superstitious people. We have supposition, guesswork and wishes, as well as religious books written by man with no verifiable evidence supporting the existence of such a person. In fact, the tales of Jesus in the bible are written by unknown folk at an unknown time. Those works are assigned to certain people with no real info to support that assignment.

Yes, I am saying and it is easily verifiable, that we do NOT know who wrote Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and the other books of the bible. Oh, and as far as the REVELATION OF JOHN, we DO know that it was NOT written by the same person who wrote the book of JOHN.It was written by a crazy nut, who hated Rome, and he lived at Patmos.

 

We have a cornerstone to a gym in Israel, with the date and name Pontius Pilate, that is evidence that Pilate lived. We have NO evidence that Jesus did, just supposition, guesswork and tales written by unknown people, NO EVIDENCE.

 

The ancestry of Joseph is given in "Matthew" for a separate reason, but in the book of "Luke" it gives the ancestry of the mother Mary as being from the Davidic line too, so Jesus is a blood relation of David through His mother Mary, while Joseph is of the David line too.

See Luke 1:5 Elizabeth was of the family of Aaron who was the David line, and Mary was the "cousin" of Elizabeth per Luke 1:36.

There are two (2) separate stories about the birth story of Jesus being at the beginning of Matthew and the other at the beginning of Luke, and both of these are add on sections written by other authors.

The report given in Matthew 1-2:23 is written from the perspective of Joseph while the report given in Luke 1-2:52 is from the perspective of Mary and Elizabeth, and the different styles and different perspectives are severely debatable.

 

If you are really interested in this question you will probably enjoy….. pages 40 to 70 of…...

http://www.amazon.ca/The-Thomas-Book-Gospel-Brother-ebook/dp/B0041D8YXW

(If I remember correctly you can read about a hundred pages of this book in the Google Version….. for free)!