Did Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua teach the same things as Rabbi Nachman of Breslov?

I highly recommend hitting the link:

16. "Scientific Discoveries Resulting From NDE."
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research08.html

....if you really would like to read some impressive info on this phenomena!

 

Yes, floating outside the body, meeting deceased relatives.....a life review with a being of light in roughly 30% of full fledged NDE's.....and all of this fits so well with what religious people have been reporting for thousands of years!

One of the most amazing types of accounts is when a staunch atheist has a NDE!

I read Howard Storm's book My Descent Into Death two or three years ago. It was one of the best NDE books I have ever read!

http://www.near-death.com/storm.html

 

call them folks, stoned or perhaps having a stress that caused such a 'vision'.

People see pink elephants and i need you to tell me if pink elephants actually exist?

Keep the possibility that misleading is easiers to attract attention, then being honest with yourself.

 

The research regarding NDE's in children is some of the most compelling of all. In the early 1990's I met a young man, a friend of my niece, who had a car accident when he was fifteen. He found himself outside his body....he spoke to a bunch of people but he didn't know who they were....when you are fifteen you often don't know that many people who have passed on.....He watched as his body was put in the ambulance. After his NDE his interest in academic pursuits as well as in life in general surged!

The positive psychological results of the NDE is an aspect of this phenomena that make it especially interesting to many professionals in the mental health industry. Do NDE accounts have potential to reduce the incidence of suicide if presented properly? Could NDE accounts produce a world view that would make young people less prone to drug addiction and self destructive behaviour???


https://apps.facebook.com/forumforpages/180898612019485/495334ab-b99f-4bea-be27-ffe51436f22a/0
Suicide rates on First Nations Reserves and depression among our youth, is there a remedy?

....( a woman replies into this discussion who is doing a documentary regarding several aspects of using NDE's to perhaps reduce the incidence of suicide. She recommends that we not only give people the positive and heavenly ones but we should also make people aware that NDE show that there are also negative consequences for our poor decisions)!

 

Here is just a taste of the NDE research done on children:

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/experts06.html
Dr. Melvin Morse:

 

This little guy at four years of age, has a NDE, and comes back reporting that his miscarried sister, that he knew NOTHING about before his experience was there in heaven. His parents were shocked....and impressed!


http://heavenisforreal.net

Colton’s Story

 

During the depression '30's in America it was joke by the non-believers to laugh at Holy Rollers and those people who asked others, "Have you seen the light?"

These were those people who had had the NDE themselves.
The teasing and ridicule repressed reports from those who experienced the OBE up until now, when many books have been written as testimony and science has actually examined the matter more formally.

The new burst of today's interest began when a long time nurse at a hospice where people came to spend their last days before dying wrote down the repetitious stories she gleaned from the soon to die.
Her interest was keyed by the peculiar repetitious reports she heard from their own mouths.

That was the point I made about Bill Maher.
Repetitious observations are the foundation for science inquiry.

But the point is that no one is "Born Again" unless the species survives in order to birth him.
Hence, love thy neighbor and even die for the Truth so the next generation will improve, adapt to the environment, and we all live forever.

 

The point from the christian perspective is that John the Baptist was holding people down long enough to induce the NDE.
They feared he did kill them, because, as a madman they believed him to be, they actually did die just as he resuscitated them at the last second.


John was doing the same thing as that movie portrayed, Flatliners.

John was "proving" empirically to people, one at time, that Heaven exists.
He held one pharisee under too long, however, and got arrested for murder, lost his head after talking too much in jail about Salome and the king.





Mat 3:16
And Jesus, (the son of man), when he was baptized, (i.e.; held under by John until a Near Death was experienced), went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens (of the mind) were opened unto him, (in this ritual of Plerosis), and he saw the Spirit of God, (inside his Unconscious mind, i.e.; Truth, opening the door of past memories), descending, (as a great light rushing down through a tunnel reaching up to heaven above).

Mat 3:17
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This, (now), is my, beloved Son, (the immortal Elijah, the ONLY son, born again and begotten son), in whom I am well pleased.

 

Wow! I had never previously read this version of events!

I had read that NDE's were induced quite often in Egypt at least for the Pharaoh. Apparently they use a coffin and could calculate exactly when CO2 levels in the coffin would induce a NDE???!!!

This would perhaps offer an explanation as to how the Pharaoh who raised up Joseph had such an altruistic and humble approach to life and rulership!!!??

 

cute

what did she look like?

miscarried and all?

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when moses has 3k killed for making a hathor; that would be pharoah-like too

 

Hmmmm..

That is an interesting hypothesis that would explain why the King's room at the top of the pyramid was a small square area with just a coffin shaped box inside.
One had to bend kow, I belueve, to get inside through a thin slit in the exterior wall.
As if we must "pass through the bar of this life," those enteringthe king's chamberbow down just to get inside.

Nevertheless, I repeat again and agin for thepeople who have not made up their own mind on this yet, that the number one thing to remember is that these NDE and OBE have been reported by every generation as far back as time will allow.
These are human observations reported in every Age and stiffled to a degree more or less by ridicule and those powers which tend to dictate what people should feed into, for the purposes of maintaining their own authority over us.

The repetition of the same experiences is what is important to focus upon.
And add to that the rather unique after effect that experience has had on the person involved so that hallucinations are discounted as the source.
People DoO hallucinate, but they can deal with that over time and respect the possibility of such a thing.
The NDE people are confirmed and usually silent believers that a spiritual world exists somehow.

I contend that spiritual world is inside the Unconscious mind, itself.
The kingdom of this God inside us, the ancient of ancient Unconscious mind, is within.

In time, we will evolve the power to become that very thing, our own Unconscious, or "the son of God."
We will be conscious of our own Unconscious and be ancients of ancients ourselves:

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name, (Truth):

 

You are so full of (*)(*)(*)(*).

John was arrested for accusing someone of adultery, not for killing a pharisee. There aint one reason why you should claim that John drowned anyone.

 

Like a teenager perhaps 17 or so! Apparently time is different in the higher dimensions!

 

I assume that they stopped inducing NDE's by that time. By the sounds of the Book of Jasher, they had stopped them for a number of generations by the time of Moses.

There was also the issue that he was very short and they may have feared that the typical NDE induction method might kill him???

http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/jasher/76.htm

I assume part of the problem was too much inbreeding?!

 

Yes, the type of message contained in NDE's that most scares people in positions of authority is that God the Creator, like King Cyrus, cares very little for specific religious groups but instead judges people mostly on what they do with what they are given?!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/storm03.html
Howard Storm:

 

God is ineffable, unknowable and indescribable according to the Jews.
They even prophibited writing the great name, or tetragrammaton because it was to sacred and hidden a concept.

But when Christ appears, he know the father and the father knows him.
He tells us that he us the son.
He says he represents the conceptof Truth, an ideal that men need strive toi accept and ustilize for their salvation.

Hence, this previously unknown god is revealed as the Reality that corresponds to Truth.
Until we recognize and define God as the almighty Reality that both nurtures and threatens us, it is a ystery what will bring us closer to it.

As soon as we see that Truth brings us closer to what is Reality we understand that our religion must be to worshio the facts of life and discover the true secrets of the universe and our own societies.


John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the truth,… the way, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

Jesus gave us a clue about what our ability to peer back into the ancient past would be like.
The idea I am supporting concerns memories stored in the person's Unconscious mind, in regard to the evidence that NDE provides.

The way I understand this evidence is that we are actually under the power and control of a silent member of our own psyche, one that our Conscious mind is unaware of until that personal relationship is initiated by that entity. I hypothesize that at death, we come face to face with this Unconsciousness. I also think that the Unconscious mind has the key of Interferon available to it, in doses it can shoot into our metabolic system powerful enough to bring about the miraculous healing that the NDE demonstrates as possible.

Jesus said that all these things are in the realm of a "heaven" where the beings are non-material "angels" as he called them, but for us, messengers in the form of mass-less vapors of thoughts.
Thoughts, at the speed of light, are the medium between Conscious "us" and Unconscious, ancient of ancients, "us."


Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they, (the dead wives), neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels, (messengers), of God, (the Ancient of ancients inside our mind: [Dan 7:9,13,22]), in heaven, (the reservoir of all ancient memories of our species).

 

In chapter 2 of his book Christian Andreason does an amazing job of describing what it is like for us to meet our higher self in a higher dimension of space-time:

http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html

 

One of the reasons why I feel that knowing more about Rabbi Nachman of Breslov can help Jews and Christians to get along better is because Rabbi Nachman, much like Edgar Cayce, had amazing out of the body experiences, assisted the souls of the dead a great deal, and taught that there really is a prison/hell sort of environment that we should be very careful to avoid getting into the mind set of!!!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nachman_of_Breslov

 

Beyond witnessing to his experience there is not so much to be learned or taken so serious about the rabbi.

In these cases the person changes his own perspective and belief system, and merely gives us his report to heap upon the growing number of such reports that ought make the doubting Thomases at least consider the Here After as a Born Again experience in the future, where we will look back through time and see our former existence.

The point of accepting this as a possibility is two fold.

First, we have a rational and modern day explanation for the things we read in the Bile.
Second, the commandment to Love our enemies and neighbors makes sense when we realize that we are NOT coming back if the human condition is such that existence for our species disappers or become so thin in numbers our turn to return will not happen.

Again, this supports the Bible as rational advice.
But for us, the living, what we need focus upon is how to integrate this idea of Life After Death in the future to survival of mankind.We see that our survival depends upon our ability to recognize the Truth, and accept that Truth, and behave according to Truth, opposing the lies and fantasy worlds cultures and societies might attempt to impose in place of Reality.

It also make one woner WHO we are killing when abortions are legal.

 

There is also an ancient tradition within some branches of Judaism regarding what happened when Lilith the first wife of Adam pronounced the Sacred Name that would tend to make scholars fearful??!!

According to traditions, after this Lilith pronounced the Sacred Name and became a spirit being who has been opposed to humanity!

 

Yes, the tradition originated with Genesis 2 and 3, where the "rib" was better understood as one of the seven ribs of the mind, or the Feminine Principle called the Anima by Carl Jung.
It is personified today in Feminism but is also that useful part of our psyche we call Intuition:





Gen. 2:21 And the LORD God, (Father Nature?), caused a deep sleep, (a progressive series of evolutions), to fall upon (the first speies of mankind: [Gen 5:2]), Adam, (to psychologically change him), and he (evolved over many thousands of years as if he had) slept:
and he, (the Universal Power, in time), took one of his (seven Freudian psychic Subconscious) ribs, (Tsela; a side of a person, figuratively, “a door:” [Hebrew]), and closed up the flesh (of this psychic facility) instead (of including Human Intiution) thereof (within the rest of the mind of man);

Gen. 2:22 And (with) the rib, ([Tsela; a side of a person, figuratuvely, “a door.”: Hebrew]), which the LORD God, (Father Nature?), had taken from man, (this evolving part of his psyche), made he a woman, (he created the Anima, a subtle psychic mechanism inside all men, this source of human Intuition so much more powerful in woman), and brought her, (See: The Big Mother Principle: [Dr. Tessa Warshaw]), unto the man, (as an archetypal power that is available to influence his Conscious mind).

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Awesome answer Cupid Dave!!!

Wow, I have got to send this to a good friend from Linkedin. She will love it!

 

Great...

I post here because these ideas would do religion good and make the bible a real up to date rational read for the younger people who have had ridicule heaped upon the religious institution just when they are going to need to start praying,... i.e., the Terrorism, the economy, etc.

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Great...

I post here because these ideas would do religion good and make the bible a real up to date rational read for the younger people who have had ridicule heaped upon the religious institution just when they are going to need to start praying,... i.e., the Terrorism, the economy, etc.

 

What you post is pseudoscience and psychobabble.

And you make a comple ass of yourself everytime you talk about "7 freudian bla bla" cause that is something that you made up and nothing Freud taught. Freud also would despise you linking his name with the word "subconscious." He thought the word was meaningless and refused to use it.


Even if what you posted was actually something that Freud agreed with, it would not make the bible up to date. Unless you think the year is 1935.


You aint helping. Lies are not helpful.