Did these guys actually believe that they might be able to get away with it?

No, I don't think so. The pubs are going to be very careful not to do this again. Once they get back into a position of influence, sometime around 2060.

 

Good stuff here.



Donald Trump is reportedly furious after Republicans’ midterm losses and anxious about the Mueller probe. Tony Schwartz, the co-author of Trump's book, tells Joy Reid how the midterms and the Mueller probe have destroyed Trump's identity as a winner.

 

No, you can't. As Comey told Gowdy in his testimony, the only thing congress can do if someone, like Hillary, lies to them under oath (commits perjury) is to refer it to the Dept. of Justice. Then DOJ can pursue it or not as they see fit.

 

You are correct, but I said her felony was in mishandling confidential and classified material per 18 US Code – 2011, Part 1, Chapter 37. And that was in part because of her private server where it was illegal for her to simply store classified information on.

 

See my reply to your other post. The article was fairly accurate except they nimbly quoted the wrong section of Title 18 where her felony occurred. I think there section had her guilty of a misdemeanor, but I'm not certain.

I trust you are still not assuming congress can enforce laws.

 

I don't think that's possible. Trump will have to do jail time. More likely deal would be "resign and we won't give you life in prison"

 

Hahahaha.. Haters are such a hoot.

It reminds me of football fans that after getting beaten so badly they hope for personal fouls by their team to cripple the victor's QB before the game ends.

I can't wait to see the gnashing of teeth when they learn that Trump has the power to pardon himself.

 

Not from state crimes, and you may be sure he will do the max there, IF he actually can pardon himself; and I don't think the SCOTUS will let that pardon happen, not even Kavanaugh

 

The problem is, neither the house nor the FBI saw it that way.

Not not exactly. You some how forget Ken Starr who was special proscutor appointed by a panel set up by the house. He could bring any charges he wanted
"August 1994, pursuant to the newly reauthorized Ethics in Government Act (28 U.S.C. § 593(b)), Starr was appointed by a special three-judge division of the D.C. Circuit to continue the Whitewater investigation. He replaced Robert B. Fiske, a moderate Republican who had been appointed by attorney general "

Any additional charges could be handled by the D.C. circuit which is an active criminal court which Clinton ultimately had to answer too. That was the material authorization that the house used to further any other Investigation beyond the DOJ.
You do get that perjury under oath before the house committee can be prosecuted too if they choose. The house chose not to do either nor did it choose enact an article of impeachment which they are empowered to do vs any govt appointee. Thus provision allows the house to set up special prosecutors outside of the DOJ. The house is always able to reenact this proviso Heck, they discussed it before Mueller was appointed.

 

So the states have super top secret evidence like Mueller? And no leaks? That's funny.

Have you read the Constitution? Ever? The Constitution gives POTUS power to pardon crimes against America and lists one exception. Impeachment.

You go read it for yourself. It's unmistakable.

Even Ginsburg would put her own credibility and legacy over her hatred of Trump.

Really. Go read it.

 

So it never occurred to you that some people are willing to do the right thing regarding upholding the Law of the Land and provide their testimony without the threat of duress?

Oh, wait, you are a BLOTUS supporter so of course it never would!

Those EU officials who volunteered to come forward to expose Manaforte's nefarious attempts at witness tampering must be why your beloved BLOTUS is crapping his Depends these days wondering how many others like them there are out there.

 

How will Trump pardon himself if he has been impeached and removed?.

I think even the Senate might vote to remove him under those circumstances.

The main thing you guys should remember is that the Senators have their own seats to worry about. and if they ignore a sufficiently strong case against Trump they will be voted out of office right along with him in 2020. OTOH I don't think Trump will be impeached, not unless the case brought against him is very strong. Dems do not want to open themselves up to charges of being divisive and Trump is really quarantined from power well enough that there is little he can do for the next two years but appoint judges, (and judges can be impeached if they're really very bad.)

 

Too bad that is NOT the statute that applied to Hillary's email server.

 

The BLOTUS cannot pardon himself for crimes committed at the State level.

 

The President can't pardon himself anyway

https://www.lawfareblog.com/self-pardons-president-cant-pardon-himself-so-why-do-people-think-he-can

 

Ha ha
Lunacy. Giving Trump credit for Obama’s economy is like giving the cab driver who drove you home from the airport credit for a safe journey on the air trip from Maine to California.
Trump has been in office for two years and is taking credit when his programs have had little effect. Bush took credit for Clinton’s economy too. Then the deregulation, the massive debt and bad spending priorities took over. The result was a massive recession/ near depression. Dems have a history of cleaning up the economic messes republicans leave the country....
9-10 of the modern day recessions are under their watch. It’s a staggering lie that any Republican president knows what the fk they are doing.

 

1. Trump will not be impeached, because even Democrats aren't that stupid.

2. Any sitting POTUS can pardon anyone for offense to America anytime he wants. The only exception is that he cannot usurp an impeachment proceeding.

3. Democrats don't have a fraction of the numbers to run an impeachment coup against the entire government.

4. This is all just a Democrat wet-dream to get power they don't deserve and haven't earned by working for it.

 

You hang onto the notion that Obama's presidency got better 2 years after Trump won the election.

Watching Democrats this desperate is better than The 3 Stooges.

 

Impeaching at the house level is the easy part. The trial will then reveal all the BS Trump is responsible for. Those senators that don’t vote for his removal from office will have a stench on their record that will live to perpetuity. Go for,it.

In the mean time, just so there are no hard feelings, Medicare for all should be taken off the agenda and replaced by the public option. Trump supporters should be left to the private market for healthcare and everyone else will be given the opportunity to buy into Medicare. So, if trump is acquitted in the senate, at least the Trump supporters can pay for Trumps legal team though their support of private insurance companies donations to his legal fund.

 

Huh ? That makes no sense....but then neither does your inability to read the modern history of the economy between the two. Republicans are unabashed believers and supporters of their own political supported lies. Start with AGW, evolution, the tooth fairy and trickle down economics. Even the adults still believe in Santa Claus and the Orange son of an Orangutan. .

 

The three stooges ? Reagan, Bush 2 and Trump...yup, that sums it up.
Reagan for criminality, Bush for incompetence and Trump for his ability to combine both..criminality and incompetence. He’s a double threat.

 

Please let America hope Pelosi is stupid enough to follow your lead.... I can't wait for Trump to be brought up on impeachment hearings, where Democrats won't be able to hide from their hateful spite and stupidity and even the MSM won't be able to cover for their lust for power at America's expense

As for the Senate... Oh please..... the only Senator in a close race that won did so because he voted for Kavanaugh, who for Democrats, was just an extension of their hatred of Trump....

Chuck Shumer is on the phone now telling Democrats in the House to change the subject...

Your silly arguments are getting more and more lame as time goes on... Anything new?

 

Yeah.. If only Trump had sent plane loads of cash to Terrorists instead of wiping out the Caliphate... And if only Trump had continued to run manufacturing jobs out of America instead of bringing them back... Dang that evil genius...

 

Perhaps you should just set out on an adventure to chase "your precious".

 

"It struck me" ... that no one has been charged. Not the Russian spies, not Manafort, Kushner or Trump jr. None of Trump's satellites are immune under Article II. Veselnitskaya did in fact cooperate ... with the Senate committee without "threat of duress" and Misfud just offered to do so. Even with the Russian spies "doing the right thing" Mueller hasn't charged evil team Trump with collusion? Your scenarios are absurd. Bogus Bob ain't tryin' to hear what the Russians are saying.