Stuart. You don't know anything about the Talmud, and you 'debunked' nothing. I, on the other hand, I made sure that the quotes I can cite from it, can be verifiied by those that know that Talmud. Why deny what is in it? We don't deny what horrors are in the OT.
If I know nothing, you know even less. Have you actually had to sit down and read most of it for a couple classes, much less both testaments? ... or have you just gone to a hate site and picked out a few cherry-picked sentences? For cryin' out loud, you've seen me go about with long multi-paragraph posts regarding the meanings of multiple Bible passages along with explanations of same which were in my own words and not cut-and-pasted from anywhere (well, save the actual Bible quotes) which you actually had some respect for AND SAID AS MUCH; shouldn't you by now know I've done some moderate amount of study in this field at least? I'm no pastor, but come on. I picked the first quote and it's indeed in there. The problem was you ignored the context, there was a line immediately afterwards that argued against it. I'm about to call it a night, but I'll just say that I do agree with RevAnarchist. I probably come at scripture from a different standpoint than the Rev (he's most likely studied the Bible and the Talmud more than I) but the way you use the Bible to support your viewpoint(s) when you don't have much respect for it or what it stands for, much less a complete working knowledge of either, is cynical at best.
Now Doko , you know very well that Jack has never expressed " hatred" towards Jews , in general . Your distortion tactics dont work. Jack has consistently spoken out against evil doctrines like Nazism and Zionism , both "isms " which might have initially sounded acceptable to some in theory , they both turned out t be montrous/diabolical / bloody awful/ in practice. He's attacks are against the dastardly deeds of some Jews - what some Jews do. Not just for being Jewish , btw - it''ll be well if you check this forums rules , address/attack the subject NOT the person. One more slanderous attack from you and I'll have to report you. Meanwhile , be nice and behave youself. (wink) ...
A sane person would perhaps recall that those scary looking guys are probably legal citizens of the country you are in with a strange uniform and gun and maybe you don't belong there. There are few countries which we have been in where we were defending american values. Defend them if you must stateside. And I - an American- am still confused as to what exactly "American values, the American way of life" are.
What you are telling us is akin the garbage taking over the City of Cairo... Is this not so? I provided vivid pictures and you did not even react... You must be living it up there.
The new comments are not overtly racist. Do you really not see why your other quotes and words are racist? Here are your quotes with emphasis by me. ....That is a racist comment IMO. Not racist cold but not racist etc. Very racist. It seems you are saying shoot to kill because of race. Btw I am a vet , US Army 101, REMF PsyOps. reva
People are not garbage, your outright derogatory terms about people, followed by your blatant Zionist propaganda about Israel in your sig tells me you have no idea what your talking about other then the drivel fed to all you sheep by the Zionist terrorists. 1: Just because some God is supposed to give you an Israel at sometime in the future, does not mean you are God and can take what you want. Zionists God is money and nuclear weapons are His staff. 2: Just because of the acts of other nations in the past, does not give Zionists the right to an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, genocide for genocide, Holocaust for Holocaust. 3: Why are the USA supporting a country based on a religion which is further from Christianity (the religion on which I thought the USA was based) then just about any major religion. Even Islam recognises Jesus, maybe not as God, but as a prophet of God, whilst the Jewish religion teaches he was the son of a whore, NOT the Son of God. 4: Without intervention, Zionist Israel will be the cause of WIII, and that won't be nice at all. 5: Whilst most of the world is looking at peace and disarmament, Israel is arming up.
I would nearly guarantee mandrake has never put on any uniform, comments like his do not come from a trained professional soldier, well if they do, then they need help and are not fit to wear a uniform. What is it the US is suppose to represent ... "Liberty and Justice for all" Actually a little piece written a Baptist minister in 1892, something I thought was fairly well known in the USA is I had always believed that the God referred to here was the Christian God, that the indivisible part somehow goes against most of the reasons the Americans don't want gun control, and that the Liberty and Justice for all part was for all men, all mankind, not just those that happen to be born in the US. Correct me if I was mistaken
Neither did I, but I also didn't know that informed discussion wasn't allowed. Racism and racist quotes show that the author is not informed. Basing argument on race or colour is not discussion, it's flame bating. The qualifications of an author are very important, as are his biases.
I ignore many of your posts- the majority of which are so ridiculous and demeaning that they are not worthy of any response from me. You post like an embittered school girl and insult people and countries alike.
And you did a great work. I always tell ppl here that they have no idea what the talmud is - they think it is some kind of monsterous book that every jew on earth lives by - They dont get that the talmud is actually debates upon debates of jewish laws - this guy says this, the other says that, etc. It can be really boring sometimes, and it could be really interesting - depending on the topics debated. (A few years ago, when i was at school, we learned the passages where they debate "Din Rodef" - are you allowed to kill someone who is going to kill someone else. When rabin was assasinated, some guys said that according to jewish law it was ok, since "Din Rodef" was applied. Which ofcourse, was Bull$hit). In any case - Thumbs up.
What is your bias? Maybe it isn't that, maybe I am mistaking you for a troll via your sarcasm, if your comment was just that. Why do I say those things? Allow me a question; Do you think my reply was the first comnment in this thread about racists, racisem, or varations thereof ? I will help the answer is 'no', at least two members had mentioned racism etc and was discussing/debating. I waited for a mod to call off topic so when none jumped on it I replied hoping to understand Mandrakes comments. reva
The Talmud is not easy to understand in its original form, it mentions Jesus in Hebrew but not the Jesus I worship. I have been fence sitting, often reversing my opinion as evidence emerges for or against a talmud that disowns dislikes Jesus etc. I waffled for years when asked to state my opinion on this subject. My last post is evident of that fact because even in my last post I defended my old views. However, unless new information emerges its obvious that the original Talmud has no precise references to Christianity or the Jesus that we think of as the son of God. The 'Yeshu'(s) mentioned lived too long after or before or after Jesus Christ lived and died on the cross. Always a problem and a road block to truth are the mistranslations that are all too common and lend faux evidence that Jesus Christ and Christianity is bastardized in the Talmud, when all along it was the pagan gentiles named Yeshu etc that caused problems IMO. So with some help by a learned Jewish friend and doing a bit of reading, I have reversed my earlier opinion and now believe Jesus of Nazareth is only mentioned in the later versions of the Talmud. For now ...~ reva
Rev, can I ask a question? Do you find it offensive that jesus is not liked by the talmud, or other jewish scripture? I saw that many times, posters here showed that jesus was not liked in jewish scripture, and tried to show that judaism is bad because of that. I dont understand why, and I'll explain: According to what we (most jews) believe, jesus was jewish, who preached for things that were somewhat different from jewish behaviour at the time. But he was jewish, and never thought about inventing a new religion or something like that. After he was crucified, (and he was crucified because of the stupidity of some jews) his followers were so outraged, that they decided to form a new religion. This new religion, didn't like the jews much, as they were responsible for his crucifiction. The Jewish scripture reflects that - Christianity was not "nice" to the jews - it tried to forcibly convert them, killed them, etc. so the scrupture was not "nice" to christianity... I think that basically, instead of saying "look, it was our fault, sorry for crucifing him", the scripture just tried to smear him, and show him as a false prophet who deserved to die.
To look at how each religion views Christ, the angle from which Christians seem to look are: read all the similarities and differences here
OK I am sorry... Now since you are sure that I am not a 'realist' (I see all the Garbage of Cairo, and you DO NOT) and you consider me an 'embittered school girl'... then again I am sorry and wish you well in the smelly atmosphere you live in. The only embittered school girl I know about in Egypt is this one... http://www.shoebat.com/2012/08/28/listen-up-folks-this-is-egypt/
What about this is false. everyone can see the Zionist grip on all media and information outlets known to mainstream America. Sure, many will side with HBendor and his domestic partner Borat but that still does not belie the facts of Zionazi control over politics, government(s), medias (yes RWs, they have yours as well), finance, etc. Heck, they even have control over the UN and its puppet organizations which brings me to another point. Are you positive that your "grassroots" organizations are not being controlled by larger entities?
DominorVobis, What I am posting will surely cause some controversy (Allah knows we at this forum do not need any more) but here it goes: Al Massi, Al Mandi, Akmen, Isa has already arrived and is doing His executing His judgement as I type this. He is breaking the cross, not what you think, but exposing the confusion of right verse wrong, settling the disputes that have arisen in regard to prophecy, prophets and what they really taught. Breaking the main tool of Al Dajjal, Gog of Magog, Ash-Shaitan of both East and West, etc. He is slaying the source of the swine-like appetites of people all over the Earth. Yes, He is even at work among Black Folks of North America. As it is stated, he started in The House first. Al Bayt Allah; religion and people.
I am glad you believe that, but I do not believe in any God of man. If there is a divine being and he did what you all say he did, then he would be inconceivable. What does a flea make of man, what does an amoeba know of man's intellect. Your Gods are too angry for me.
So far your retorts (all of them) fall short of any cogent response to anyone... calling me Zionist in a derogatory fashion is demonstrated by a pin that I wear so proudly on my lapel... your insults (flame baiting) are like a drop of water on a hot tin roof. As a matter of record ALL Your insinuations are the real flame bait... I hope a monitor will notice this soon.
Thank you for being so openly generous... we Jews/Zionists do not deserve your benevolent approbations/commendations.
Your beliefs/religion should not be propagated/proselytized on this Forum... you believe what you want to believe others do not... In fact. who in his right mind will follow the dictates of a pedophile, thief and murderer?
