Do we have any Qanon believers here?

Well of course I am.

You know at one point stealth technology was a conspiracy and people laughed at us also.

Something is only a conspiracy until it is disproven or becomes a reality.

Electricity at one point was a conspiracy and you can find old papers talking about it as such. Did FDR have foreknowledge of the attack on Pearl Harbor?

Well it appears he did as we've found out there was a British sub tailing the Japanese fleet.

And qualifiers for a conspiracy are there just like anything else. The big one is Why would there be a secret about something? If you can't answer that then you can dismiss the whole thing. You also need some sort of verifiable evidence and someone simply posting about it doesn't work.

Titor did that but it was accompanied by sketches and diagrams. Ultimately though that is how they win, by convincing people like you that we are just a bunch of crazy people.

 

What "get rid of T...." ? Why would the Qknicks have visions of Pilosi being marched to her execution and saying that Democrats are depophiles and drink the blood of children and roast children on the grill and.........?

 

I know that the Bilderburger conspiracy crap is not as prominent now days but I know that people accuse Obama of creating Deep State. Is Obama being accused of being Illuminati ? Seriously the accusation that "Deep State" is in the bowells and the structure of the US government is alive and out there.

 

Because they are idiots?

I don't know but it certainly makes all conspiracy people seem nuts which was the point of the left. That way it makes it easier for them to dismiss things like a rigged election.

 

Deriding the conspiracy buffs and believers is a tactic but both sides can and have used it in the past.

 

Some do but not as a serious player, mostly just a willing tool. The deep state, which is a confusing phrase, usually use people like Obama or Bush who unwillingly do what the deep state wants them to.

However the deep state isn't really the same thing. The deep state is part of the establishment, set in their old ways, that do not like to see their system changed. They are not goal oriented. The deep state means nothing to the group we are talking about which is this secretive power group.

And really, if someone doesn't like the conspiracy angle they can just call it some oligarchy, or group of powerful people that talk amongst themselves about what they can all do to help them all get more power or wealth. That's been happening in every culture since it began, now it's just global instead of a village.

It is believed there are different factions within the group however and that responsibility is divided amongst them.

 

Absolutely, it's a very effective weapon used both ways.

For instance, the US government taking UFO's publicly very seriously then outright dismissing them with multiple studies. This had the effect of disproving every case before it even happened but they were just lies.

While I am not a truther the entire 9/11 thing had cover-up written all over it, that was almost laughable if it wasn't such a horrible thing. Most of our wars have been filled with lies like the Tonkin Gulf Incident, which was repeatedly said to be a lie by conspiracy people then was actually proven to be a lie.

 

"All this worldly wisdom was once the unamiable heresy of some wise man."

Thoreau.

To paraphrase Kuhn, most accepted scientific explanations start out as the equivalent of a "conspiracy" within a previously broadly accepted paradigm.

To the topic, are there knowledgeable insiders within government, business, etc. who share information with the public anonymously? Of course there are. Are there trolls and LARPERS making things up, also anonymously? Of course there are. That these facts of the net age are to be dismissed as conspiracies? That's obtuse.

Is Q real? No idea, but most of what I've seen attributed to Q turned out to be inaccurate. I just process it as more noise to be factored into larger conclusions about whatever.

Hollering "Conspiracy Theory!" is not an argument and brands the hollerer more than what they are hollering about.

 

I started a similar thread a while back. And I found that there is a large number of posters here who believe and repeat the QAnon conspiracy but don't realize that it's QAnon. Many of them hadn't even heard about QAnon, but simply didn't bother to find out where the wild conspiracies they were echoing originated.

We can still see them again and again spewing new conspiracies without realizing their origin.

 

So an invisible hand but not what what Adam Smith was talking about.

 

Tonkin Bay did turn out to be a lie. Yet those of us who did go to Vietnam did not want to admit it was. If in 1969 mor 1970 we said it was we would have been labeled a traitor sauce as Hanoi Jane was but she dwas an actual traitor albeit for another reason. The last movie that I saw with Jane Fonda in it was Barbarella but thatbwas before she became a Vietnam Congress sympathizer and Ho Chi Mihn's lover. Ok the last part is hyperbole.

 

Well I wasn't alive then so I have to rely on folks like you to explain what is was like and I always appreciate that as it helps me form more valid opinions.

 

Thank you for confirming that conspiracy believers will believe ANYTHING and EVERYTHING without ever attempting to engage any critical thinking process to their beliefs.

Have a nice day!