Do we owe Muslims another apology?

BTW
In Islam "Ilah" means God

"Allah" is gods proper name.

 

Allah is used commonly in Ishaq, however Islaq is 120 years late, 4/5ths of it disappeared, for "matters that would distress people" and was edited by Ibn Hisan 60 years after that.

The Qur'an of today is 9th century, not the 7th as claimed.

 

I know this already, I was only giving the history of "God" being known as Allah/Allahim in Arabic; in Hebrew it is Eloha/Elohim

 

This is because the proper name is not the focal point of the Qur'an.

 

There is no 'focal point; of the Qur'an, it is a haphazard cumulation of bastardized verses from Christianity and Judism, It was assembled by compilers, and not authers, who could have been illiterate.. Arranging it from longest sura to shortest, and destroying any pattern of thought. You need the Sunnah to understand what can be understood, and it must be read correctly. This is where many muslims deny what is not in the Qur'an as fact, but not realizing what they are doing in the process is erasing Muhammed from the religion.

 

Just as I originally thought, you are typical. Have a good time.

 

Actually you'll find out I am not typical, and am prepared to back up anything I say about Islam, from Islamic sources.

 

Nothing quite like a fight over imaginary man made Gods.

Should it not be the morals and laws of a God that is important? Is that not how you judge the worthiness of God?

Yes it is.

Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/



Humanity centered religions, good? Yes.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes.

Do you agree?

Regards
DL

 

Yes, I do agree with you, but my feelings go deeper into the religion than that.
The Christian religion, as written is a pretty decent religion, and in my opinion the best of the Abrahamic ones.
The Jesus figure, weather you are a believer or not, is a pretty good character. Most of the crimes laid at the steps of Christianity were at a time when people were at the mercy of the church leaders. Catholicism was mostly in Latin, and nobody had bibles. They were totally dependant on the church leaders to tell the people what God wanted. Nowadays everyone has bibles and can read the actual teachings of Christ, and would not go along with a lot of the stuff.

Islam however is different, Muhammed was a murderer, rapist, thief, and a slew of other adjectives. The religion preaches the robbing and killing of non-believers. When you have a religion that is documented as such, you will have a higher percentage of people who actually follow it.

 

I can agree that Islam is a cut below Christianity. I also think that Christianity is a cut below the Jewish sects.

I see the Jews as well on their way to a moral ideology before Christianity usurped their God.

Take the Christian Original Sin concept which is quite immoral and anti-Jewish beliefs.

Jews saw man's elevation in Eden while Christianity twisted that to our fall.

Christians also twisted the messiah belief from a man savior that would live and rule to a man/God sacrifice who died and never returned.

Christianity made a stupid religion as compared to a smart Jewish one.

Regards
DL

 

I see where you are coming from, but When I discuss Christianity, I try to avoid Catholicism. Many Christian sects will swear Catholic is not Christian, I tend to agree with them.

BTW, I think they are all pretty stupid, but important for founding countries, be they good or bad, they set a common law.

 

I think what the Catholics did to the Christian religion is pretty evil, not that it had much of a good start anyways, but it was turned into a waring, religion of conquest, leaving a trail of blood everywhere it went.
Martin Luther cleaned it up a lot, and some modern sects, cleaned it even more.

 

Poor laws that include slaving yourself to a church instead of a God and homophobia and misogyny.

I guess that you have not read the Global Peace Index for a while or you would not likely have stated things as you did.





Regards
DL

 

Martin Luther both helped and hurt as his Churches did not go right into Gnostic Christianity without a supernatural content and took the same brain dead supernatural base as Catholics.



Regards
DL

 

I am by no means sticking up for religions, I think they served a purpose a long time ago, for the survival of nations, but are long outdated. As we experience life away from them, it is probably better off for humanity.
Religion has caused the worst suffering in all of mankind.

 

Thanks for this.

I think better ways might have been found but that train left the station a long time ago.



Regards
DL

 

I think our biggest problem is willfull ignorance, and fear of the unknown. We in America, generally grew up with Christianity on the back burner, and not practiced as much as was long ago. Now we have 3rd world countries pounding religion into the minds of illiterate and ignorant people. Some religions are pretty good, and some are pure evil.

 

According to certain religious right leaders - Leviticus should be followed.

 

According to some, they handle snakes.

You will always find groups who dwell on certain parts, however it is not mainstream.

As of lately, I only see muslims throwing homosexuals off roofs.

 

I hear you.

It is not just the third world doing what you describe. It is also the first world which should know better. That is wishful thinking when thinking of the U.S.

Death to Gays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyuKLyGUHNE

Regards
DL

 

Look above and see what right wing Christians are paying to have legislated in Uganda.

Bastards.

Regards
DL

 

We have stuff going on in Africa, a good example is "Kony," of the "Lords resistance army", claiming they are Christian, but condemned by all Christian churches. It's hard when you convert countries full of people from one religion to another, you cannot turn off the old one like a lightswitch, and usually they merg the old religion with the new.
A good example of this is Caribbean voodoo, a mix of the islanders religion with Roman Catholic.

 

The revealed religions want to slave people to themselves and I think it a shame that they are even allowed to peddle their vile ideology in new lands. We all know from history how destructive that is.

Regards
DL

 

Giftedone, I do not base my stance on what "leaders" say, I base it upon my own personal predilections and what is in the Book, be it Torah, al-Jadid, Injil, and/or Holy Qur'an.

 

We have common sense at play here, more so than what is written. As people evolve, they reflect on what was written thousands of years ago, We are in a new space in time, than the bronze age of superstitions and blind obedience to the written word. Most people accept that the Adam and Eve story just didn't happen. The problems arise when groups, brainwashed groups, actually believe this crap came from a God, and it happens in all religions, some more than others.