Do you even care if Trump committed a crime or not?

All that aside, Nancy Pelosi already said that there is not going to be any leftist generated impeachment of Trump. She admitted this week that their only meaningful chance against Trump now is to not only beat him in the 2020 presidential election but to do so by such a huge margin -- a Hillary Clinton style PREDICTED margin -- that that not even Trump could or would protest the results. Considering that it's a slate of clown car candidates lining up to run against Trump, Pelosi just essentially admitted that Trump probably will win re-election.

 

Is there any indication, beyond liberal paranoia and blind hatred, that Trump wouldn't accept election results? As far as I can tell this is Pelosi fearmongering in the hopes of increasing turnout. Its sad that the primaries haven't even begun and Democrats are already making excuses for their loss...

 

We already know that he didn't commit a crime. At least not on regards using the Russians to win the election. Further investigations is just a fishing expedition with the purpose of setting up purjury traps.

 

Pelosi is not quite that affected by her obvious bouts of senior dementia to believe what she is saying in that regard and is simply and cynically fear mongering of course. But she also ordered the clown car slate of Dem Party presidential contenders to eschew A.O.C. and Ilhan Omar (although she did not actually name them) radicalism in their stump speeches and debates with one another until AFTER one of them won the presidency.

In other words she pretty much told the entire nation that she is aware of how insane the typical Dem Party politician is coming across of late to the nation and that therefore she demands that the presidential contenders LIE to the nation about what they actually believe in and intend to do if ever they do come into power. Nice, eh?

 

I suppose keeping the focus off the party is all they have, but that will not stop or even hinder the civil war brewing there. This Pelosi isn't powerful like the last Speaker Pelosi was. Half her party hates her, which is weird, because for once radical liberals and Republicans have something in common...

 

Nice avoidance.

You should learn how to spell perjury before using it.

 

I avoided nothing..

 

So then...do you even care if Trump committed a crime?

 

Yes i care. But we know he didn't.

However it sure sounds to me like the Clinton Campaign and the FBI did.

Do i think Trump is highly ethical or a good role model or someone worth admiring? No.

Are his policies good in spite of his big Twitter mouth? Yes, mostly. Much more so than the past few presidents.

 

Since you think he did not, I am assuming you think he is a liar when he said that he would not lose any support if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue.

Anyway...WE do not know he didn't. I certainly don't. I think he has committed all sorts of crimes. Just guesses on my part...but to suggest that I know he has not is way off the mark.

Okay. If you say that is the way it sounds to you...I imagine you are a world class expert on how things sound to you.

Yeah. I also think neither Trump nor Idi Amin fit that description.

We disagree there.

But that happens in a forum of this sort.[/quote]

 

You know before Trump one point of pride for me is that all the famous dictators in world history would not had amounted to anything if born in the US.

Now sadly, I see that even with our founding fathers an all the safe guards they put into place a very stupid and low level conman an worst of all an out and out demagogue can reach the office of the presidency an begin to take steps to reduce the power of congress while breaking all manner of laws and norms.

The one hope we seems to have is the man is very stupid as otherwise I could see a dictatorship in our near future.

 

Right on the button...and well said.

Thanks.

 

What dictatorship? Do show me one way that Trump is any more a dictator than any previous president? Frankly I think the founding fathers would have approved of Trump, he's actually their sort of guy.

 

I did and I didn't see anything relevant so give me the specific part you are referring to?

 

It's also important that he have the right to refuse if the reasons for insisting he testify are not valid, given what happened to Kavanagh and Barr would you blame him if he refused?

 

Relevant to what, obstruction or collusion?

 

Yes, what happened to Kavanaugh and Barr? Kristine Blasey Ford was destroyed by an outside sex crimes attorney while Brett Kavanaugh got appointed to the Supreme Court. And what happened to William Barr is that he became Attorney General of the U.S.

Yes, I most certainly would blame him if he refused. He's been through this before. He has given 30 hours to the special counsel, nothing is secret now.

 

I dont think your being honest here.

 

I will mark you down in the "I dont care if Trump commits crimes" camp.

 

[QUOTE="Aleksander Ulyanov, post: 1070530037, member: 62017"
Going by the arguments presented here it doesn't matter one tiny iota what the report says and never did. You guys are still going crazy that Trump was TOTALLY EXONERATED, even though the report says he was not in so many words..

Trump said some time ago that he could shoot people in Times Square and get away with it according to some people. You guys prove that more and more each day[/QUOTE]

Your clumsy, almost comical "Times Square" deflection is noted... and laughed at. C'mon Aleks, don't you have anything better than that? Maybe not....

Now the doubts about sanity surface again! OF COURSE it matters what the Mueller Report says! If not, then what are skirmishing about now?! The report does not charge or accuse ANYONE of ANYTHING... is it simply not (NOT) possible for the Left to acknowledge what is as obvious as black letters written on hundreds of white pages? You'd HAVE to be crazy to think that Mueller charged or accused ANYONE in this report.

One last attempt, Aleks, to help you see reason... imagine a situation where a prosecutor spends two years with a staff of over two dozen experts, and comes up with a report that there is no evidence that anyone should be charged with any crimes regarding some allegation. Now, does that mean that the court should say, "Oh, hell, let's just ASSUME that just because the prosecutor didn't charge anybody with anything, we ought to stage some big 'kangaroo court' theater spectacle instead!"

Or, imagine a situation where a District Attorney says to you, "OK, Aleks, we don't know for sure that anybody beat your wife, and we're not charging you with beating your wife. BUT, we've decided that we're not going to "exonerate" you from the possibility that you beat your wife".... . What would your opinion be of BULLSHIT like THAT?! Do you want a "Justice" system that works like THAT?!

For decades, we've seen liberal lawyers in the ACLU rush to the defense of those it said were unjustly prosecuted on the basis of made-up charges, contaminated "evidence", and a host of agenda-driven manipulations and other set-up's. Do you really not see, CLEARLY, that this is exactly what your wonderous Democrat House members are trying to do here?! Nearly all of the rest of us do see this, Aleks, along with the reinforced impression that Democrats are either becoming insane, or so driven with rage and hate that they're willing to tear down every important legal principle this country was built on!

. "Yep, we can't "exonerate" Aleks, so, to the firing squad he goes!"

 

I'll mark you down as "I only care if the other people committed a crime, but not my people". Which is what we all assumed in the first place.

 

Just to begin Trump had been the only president in our history who had as a candidate and are now as president to threaten not to honor the final results of any presidency elections if he is not the winner.

Take note that many people at the time wish the then vice president Gore to not honor Bush election and yet instead he oversaw Bush becoming president as the Vice President he oversaw and accepted the electoral college vote count by the senate.

 

Your clumsy, almost comical "Times Square" deflection is noted... and laughed at. C'mon Aleks, don't you have anything better than that? Maybe not....

Now the doubts about sanity surface again! OF COURSE it matters what the Mueller Report says! If not, then what are skirmishing about now?! The report does not charge or accuse ANYONE of ANYTHING... is it simply not (NOT) possible for the Left to acknowledge what is as obvious as black letters written on hundreds of white pages? You'd HAVE to be crazy to think that Mueller charged or accused ANYONE in this report.

One last attempt, Aleks, to help you see reason... imagine a situation where a prosecutor spends two years with a staff of over two dozen experts, and comes up with a report that there is no evidence that anyone should be charged with any crimes regarding some allegation. Now, does that mean that the court should say, "Oh, hell, let's just ASSUME that just because the prosecutor didn't charge anybody with anything, we ought to stage some big 'kangaroo court' theater spectacle instead!"

Or, imagine a situation where a District Attorney says to you, "OK, Aleks, we don't know for sure that anybody beat your wife, and we're not charging you with beating your wife. BUT, we've decided that we're not going to "exonerate" you from the possibility that you beat your wife".... . What would your opinion be of BULLSHIT like THAT?! Do you want a "Justice" system that works like THAT?!

For decades, we've seen liberal lawyers in the ACLU rush to the defense of those it said were unjustly prosecuted on the basis of made-up charges, contaminated "evidence", and a host of agenda-driven manipulations and other set-up's. Do you really not see, CLEARLY, that this is exactly what your wonderous Democrat House members are trying to do here?! Nearly all of the rest of us do see this, Aleks, along with the reinforced impression that Democrats are either becoming insane, or so driven with rage and hate that they're willing to tear down every important legal principle this country was built on!

. "Yep, we can't "exonerate" Aleks, so, to the firing squad he goes!" [/QUOTE]

What you say might have scintilla of merit. IF we were talking about anyone but the President of the United States

There is, as you are undoubtedly aware and are conveniently ignoring, considerable controversy as to whether the POTUS can be indicted at all, and this is why Mueller decided to throw that ball back into the Congress' lap.

 

What you say might have scintilla of merit. IF we were talking about anyone but the President of the United States

There is, as you are undoubtedly aware and are conveniently ignoring, considerable controversy as to whether the POTUS can be indicted at all, and this is why Mueller decided to throw that ball back into the Congress' lap.[/QUOTE]

We can surely yet agree on ONE thing, Aleks -- the House of Representatives can, for any reason it wishes, impeach the President of the United States. It can be for a "good" reason, it can be for a "bad" reason, or anything else one can imagine. All your radical Democrats need is a majority vote in the House to impeach, and, like MAGIC, it's the proverbial 'done-deal'. Oh, but then it goes to the Senate....

I do hope that your ZEAL for having all the truth in this "Russia" tragicomedy is comprehensive, and that it does include everything that went into the Democrat Party procuring and paying for the "Steele Dossier", using it to leverage an 'investigation' through the FISA court(s), etc., etc., etc. I'm SURE you would agree...(?).

 

Ooooh. You got me there. Total burn. I know you are but what am I? Right?

If you weren't so busy being a traitor to the American people, and the constitution, you might be willing to exam your incredible self flaws. But I know thats far to much to ask of any Trump voter. After all, we know that the Trump voter base is under educated.